Shy, you're never going to find the truth if you're bent against it.
Evidence: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/crucified.htm
Can't get much more real then that. And what I was saying was answering your first arguement, saying "The church" kills gay people, judges this and hates that--God does not support that. Jesus' message was never hate, or pain. Do not get the word of Man mixed up with the Word of God.
http://www.africanaquatics.co.za/_christia...f_the_bible.htm
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?page=article&id=592
If you believe the Bible is junk, then how did it come to be? How did it spread around the world, even if but a few in a council put it together? Or if one man wrote it? How could people hundreds of years apart aim the same message (Predictions, and then happenings and miracles of Jesus Christ.) Some proofs that the miracles in the Bible are true:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=33168 (Red sea)
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/sodom_&_gomorrah.htm (Sodom and gommorah)
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-abr/abr-a011.html (Jericho.)
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...7_noahsark.html (Noah's ark, and flood.)
Etc etc. Those words in the Bible are true (How could one or even just ten or fifteen men get all those facts right, plus all the ones I didn't mention. They'd have to travel around the world. Try doing that with a horse.), so why is Jesus fake?
I never said he was fake, I said it cou;dn't be proved. If you notice, that site doesn't list its sources.
As for the Noah's Ark one, that article was from 2004. I guess they never found it. I don't see how the rest prove anything other than catastrophes.
Other people have predicted things as well that have happened, who were not Christians, and were of what were called 'heathen' religions.
Believing the bible is false has NOTHING to do with not believing how it came to be, I'm not seeing your logic at all. I never said one man wrote it either. However, believing some Council put it together and changed things for their own doings isn't really a big stretch. The religion was already VERY popular by that time.
Jesus' message was never hate, or pain. Do not get the word of Man mixed up with the Word of God.
I've been trying to convince you guys of this the entire time. You shouldn't trust the bible, why do we need a book telling us how to live? Whether or not Jesus was real or actually the messiah, it doesn't matter! It doesn't matter if he was the son of God or the son of man! I don't give a FLYING FARK if he was divine or not! Why does he have to be God in order to help us to be better people? Why can't he be a man who fought and died for what he believed in, only to have it torn apart and misconstrewed by some random bastards after his time?
Does it really matter whether he's the son of God or not? How is Christianity any different from other religions? They have proof of their miracles and other things too! You people were raised to believe in God, so you do.
I'm telling you that I am a Christian because of the principles that were laid down, not because of some damn holy ghost or because of miracles.