Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
The Archives => Economic Archive => Public Archives => Tech Trades => Topic started by: cheeseaholic on April 18, 2007, 07:08:36 pm
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One person sends tech to someone, the other person sends money to someone else, who then sends the payment on to the original seller. Or the money could be sent first to the tech dealer, who sends the tech to a middle man (along with a fee, usually), who sends the money on. Tech is normally sold in groups of 50.
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Something I wrote earlier reguarding tech trading
One of the best way to make money in CN is tech trading. For a new nation tech costs $10,000/level. My nation has 85 tech, and tech for me costs over $30,000/level. Now lets say I wanted to get 20 more tech, wouldn't it make more sense for me to give you new nation, say $400,000 to give me 20 tech then to pay over $600,000 to buy it on my own. After the cost of buying my tech, you still get ~$150,000, and I save $200,000
There are two main ways to operate a tech deal, a 2-person deal, and a 3-person deal (In the following examples, you are the person selling tech).
A 2 person deal is the easiest. Someone sends you the money, and 10 days latter, after the aid slot expires, you send them back the tech. The downside of this is The person buying has to wait a long time for his tech.
The 3 person deal gets around this by adding a "middle man" Often the buyer will send you (the seller) the money, you will buy the tech, and immediately send the tech and a smaller amount of money to the middle man, who sends on just the tech, and keeps the money as payment for use of his aid slots. This gets the tech to the buyer much faster.
(Note, some buyers will put the middleman on the other side of the deal, sending him all the money, with the middleman keeping his cut and sending the rest to you. You then send the tech directly to the buyer.)
There is also the 4-person deal. You and a friend both arrange a tech sale. You each receive the money from your buyer, but then send the tech to the other person's buyer. This gets the tech to the buyers right away without a need to pay off a middle man.
Typically the buyer send the money first, since the selling nation usually needs to use to money to buy the tech. So, it's safe being a seller, since you get the money upfront. Do be sure to send the tech when you agreed to. Renigging on a tech deal is bad. You may think, he can't hurt me, he's far past twice my strength. Well, maybe he can't hurt you, but he can probably payoff someone who can.
Most tech deals are for 50 tech, as this is the most you can send at a time.
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question.
what is the point of the middle-man??
im confused.
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When you send aid to a nation (like the $3 million you send to buy tech) the other nation can't send aid back to you (like the tech) for 10 days. MIddlemen give us a way of getting the tech delivered without the 10 day delay.
Our tech farm accomplishes the same in a different manner - each of 3 buyers sends $3 million to one of 3 sellers, and receivers 50 tech each from the other two sellers.
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Just wondering how you would send tech to someone?
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When you go to someone's nation page, there is a link at the top that says "Aid" from which you can send up to 3 mil, 50 tech or 2k soldiers.
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Kool I thank you for that info!!
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I heard middle men are not used so much anymore, can someone tell me why?
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Because you make very little money from being a middle man. You make a lot more from being a tech seller and since buyers outnumber sellers you will never have any problem finding deals. And we hate seeing new members waste their slots being middle men when we can get more tech from you if you are a seller.
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Also, it's worth mentioning that it's cheaper for nations to buy tech like this:
4.5
10
10
10
10
5.5
Depending on your trades, it will save you about 5% of the normal cost.
Note: This is when buying from 0 tech to get up to 50.
Also note: This strategy can be used when buying tech from any level to save money.
eg. to buy from 23.4 to 70, the cheapest way would be to buy in this order: 1.1 (to get to the magical number of 24.5), 10, 10, 10, 10, 5.5.
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Hi All,
At what point is it better to be a tech buyer rather than a seller? At 3 mill per 100 tech an obvious answer would be "at the 30000 per level mark". Is it that simple, or am I missing something?
I've signed up to the tech seller thread, but now I'm wondering if that was the right thing to do. My current price is 24k per level and I have 57 tech. If I get 3 mill, and then am expected to send 2 X 50 tech to two people, can I buy all 100 tech at 24k each? As I buy them in chunks of 20 (which I must in the game) will the price steadily creep over the 30k mark (thus burritos me with a loss)? Did I goof in my reasoning somewhere?
Sorry for a potentially dumb question, but as you can guess, I'm new at this.
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(thus burritos me with a loss)?
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OK that handily takes care of another dumb question I was going to ask.
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Query: What if the money sent doesn't cover the cost of all the tech?
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Query: What if the money sent doesn't cover the cost of all the tech?
The money cost will cover the cost for all the tech. Just keep enough tech on hand to do deals (50 tech).
You should think about enrolling in the Cactuar University. It'll help you answer a bunch of questions.
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Actually, if it doesn't cover the cost of all the Tech then (if you're the seller) you lost money, are a failure at buisiness, and need to become a buyer and/or rethink your life.
Just sayin'.
Vote me for Captain Planet!
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Query: What if the money sent doesn't cover the cost of all the tech?
You should make roughly $2.1M profit on your $3M for 100 tech deals. Obviously more when you are on the $3M for 50 side. As long as you keep 0 tech for yourself, and purchase only 50 at a time, you will makes tons of cash.
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Query: What if the money sent doesn't cover the cost of all the tech?
You should make roughly $2.1M profit on your $3M for 100 tech deals. Obviously more when you are on the $3M for 50 side. As long as you keep 0 tech for yourself, and purchase only 50 at a time, you will makes tons of cash.
And there you have it. Sellers should never have "not enough money" and loss profit.
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I just have one question to make sure I understand what I'd be getting into:
Does the cost of technology increase based on how much you have at the time (meaning it can go down after you sell some) or based on how much you've purchased since you started (meaning it stays more expensive even if you sell off as much as allowed)?
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It's based on how much you have at that time. 50 tech will cost more if you have 1000 tech than if you have 0. Once you sell tech and your current total goes down so will cost, so you shouldn't really have any reason to buy over 50 when you're a seller
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i would like to be a tech dealer. What must i do in order for me to be one and join the alliance?
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I have four aid slots open and im willing to sell tech to anyone. If you are interested please send 3 mill within the next week.
World Trade Nation
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Yes I'd like to trade tech. My name is Hester Kaid, my country is Zylaire at the link is:
http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=461160 (http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=461160)