Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Buck Turgidson on March 03, 2014, 04:35:35 pm
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Do you say 'the' Ukraine, or just Ukraine?
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I blame the violent media video games
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It's gonna split E and W. E to Russia and W joins the EU "voluntarily"
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I've started referring to it as the Former Ukraine Containing Kiev (FUCK).
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It's just Ukraine. They get mad if you call it The Ukraine. Also Russia says its going full on in less then 6 hrs if Ukraine doesn't surrender.
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You're actually discussing this?
I thought the American policy was fairly simple!
Is there oil in Ukraine?
If yes, Invade.
If no, Russia suckzorz!!!1!!
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I thought the American policy was fairly simple!
Is there oil in Ukraine?
If yes, Invade.
I get tired of this line of thinking, when people are serious about it
the way I see it middle east is a proxy war for competing financial empires. it's not about which nation is doing what, it's about which monetary system is using which nations do what.
oil is a part of it, but so is trade in general, as well as a general attempt to keep the region from destabilizing further and starting WW3
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It's just Ukraine. They get mad if you call it The Ukraine. Also Russia says its going full on in less then 6 hrs if Ukraine doesn't surrender.
So they didn't surrender.
Russia sent in 16,000 troops
Poland militarized.
Poland realized it's military sucked and activated a clause of the NATO agreement that NATO "must" defend if a signatory feels their countries sovereignty is impeded.
NATO........?
They can't actually attack Russia. It would never happen. So what do you do?
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I thought the American policy was fairly simple!
Is there oil in Ukraine?
If yes, Invade.
I get tired of this line of thinking, when people are serious about it
the way I see it middle east is a proxy war for competing financial empires. it's not about which nation is doing what, it's about which monetary system is using which nations do what.
oil is a part of it, but so is trade in general, as well as a general attempt to keep the region from destabilizing further and starting WW3
Naturally I meant it as a joke, and the statement was a large generalization for sure. However in Asia at least, whichever layman has an opinion, has THAT opinion.
We live in a time of corporate empires, differentiated and original politics have died off a long time ago in most major countries. This dissolution even crosses borders now (EU). The fact is, our countries are moving away from being defined as a polity and are more and more governed by the corporate infrastructure and money. The monetary systems ARE the nations.
America and America inc have become synonymous.
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It's just Ukraine. They get mad if you call it The Ukraine. Also Russia says its going full on in less then 6 hrs if Ukraine doesn't surrender.
So they didn't surrender.
Russia sent in 16,000 troops
Poland militarized.
Poland realized it's military sucked and activated a clause of the NATO agreement that NATO "must" defend if a signatory feels their countries sovereignty is impeded.
NATO........?
They can't actually attack Russia. It would never happen. So what do you do?
They'll bark, A LOT!
Russia will pull back eventually, I think they're just trying to exert more influence, its not a bid to take control or anything.
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They'll bark, A LOT!
Russia will pull back eventually, I think they're just trying to exert more influence, its not a bid to take control or anything.
Eh, I gotta disagree with you there. I think they fully intend to keep the Crimean peninsula.
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I read that they want an important seaport there. They had been leasing it from Ukraine now they are jumping at the chance to own it once again. No one wants to start a huge war over this and that is Putins gamble.
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The monetary systems ARE the nations.
America and America inc have become synonymous.
that's misleading though; the financial systems manipulating America don't represent the interests or ideals of the average American, and they are international/global; adopting a national identity would be contrary to their interests. It would put them in the public eye and draw attention, whereas now they can use nations like America as a smokescreen to keep the public ignorant. You illustrate that point by saying America and the associated financial empire are synonymous.
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I read that they want an important seaport there. They had been leasing it from Ukraine now they are jumping at the chance to own it once again. No one wants to start a huge war over this and that is Putins gamble.
This would make more sense actually. Seizing control over a relatively small asset makes more sense than a sustained invasion of such a large and historically bloody and politicized landmass. Especially since the EU is getting involved now... The Russians do however have, at least in their minds, a historical claim to Crimea. I mean the dissolution of the USSR wasn't CLEAN! I bet the Russians look at Ukraine taking Crimea as looting in the face of chaos. Considering they GAVE Ukraine Crimea while it was a part of the USSR, I'm sure they feel slighted.
The monetary systems ARE the nations.
America and America inc have become synonymous.
that's misleading though; the financial systems manipulating America don't represent the interests or ideals of the average American, and they are international/global; adopting a national identity would be contrary to their interests. It would put them in the public eye and draw attention, whereas now they can use nations like America as a smokescreen to keep the public ignorant. You illustrate that point by saying America and the associated financial empire are synonymous.
No I agree, they DON'T adopt a national identity, the US of A wasn't the only country who went into the middle east.
You know that public interest is highly malleable. The government and corporate empires have and will continue to manipulate the general outlook of the public, they're adept at that.
Anyway, i'm not saying its one way or the other. I'm not saying that governments DON'T exist as much as i'm saying that governments today are unholy offspring of an undisputed capitalist agenda and secretive, behind the scenes, opportunist corporate conglomerates that together make a resource hungry, and manipulative face for the combined allied war machine.
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It's the contrary. It is in the interests of corporations to fill a demand in the market, and therefore to serve you. We earn their cash, and then spend it on items made by children overseas. And we all do it, no matter where in the world. No matter where you are, it is cheaper to get some things from far away, at what seems like a highly inflated prices, but it is in fact cheaper to buy than to build. This is the essence of comparative advantage in a global economic system.
So, clothing can be cheaper for a North American to buy from China, but it is cheaper for them to buy surface to air missiles from Russia.
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Literally no side can or will attack anyone.
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saying the american gov and the financial system are synonymous is kind of true; but at the end of the day it's the gov being used. and the gov =/= america
also, capitalism and democracy are just buzzwords people throw around. we are ostensibly a democratic republic, but the democratic part of that is broken due to voter apathy/party polarization/media corruption. and we're certainly not a true capitalist system, since we have things like social security, but even the capitalism we retain is diluted by the monolithic powers of corporatism. so it's not the ideals of capitalism or democracy that are the problem, it's how those ideals are used to conceal and legitimize a system that ultimately aims to prevent them.
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saying the american gov and the financial system are synonymous is kind of true; but at the end of the day it's the gov being used. and the gov =/= america
Did you vote? If not, you cannot gripe.
If so, the purpose in Democracy is to let the people decide, then come together after the election and support the people's choice. What I see happening in the US is people, especially Republicans, standing apart from their President or Members of Congress because their team did not win. Such people don't want democracy, so it is not surprising to hear them say that their government does not represent them. The problem is not with who finally wins, but with the respect that Americans feel for each other's choices.
The cool thing in the US is that, aside from the black Democrat, the lines don't follow race. The sad thing to see in Ukraine is that the line between Russian and Uke is stark, and only half-breeds are caught in between.
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Did you vote? If not, you cannot gripe.
your jokes are showing improvement
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I read that they want an important seaport there. They had been leasing it from Ukraine now they are jumping at the chance to own it once again. No one wants to start a huge war over this and that is Putins gamble.
During the Cold War, the feared "Black Sea Fleet" was anchored in the Crimea. Russia will never give it up, and they are supporting Syria for the same reason...