Thoughts on suicide?

[Crunka]

hey! i saw that!


also, quit shoving religion and jesus talk up our asses.

[invincible13matt]

hey, it's my calling.

[Divineslasher]

Religion is good and stupid, Jesus was a crazy illusionist and God is something not real but yet people have faith to give them meaning and hope.

*raises his flame shield*

[invincible13matt]

Jesus was a crazy illusionist? How do you fool all the senses as he did? i.e. make them think they were drinking wine instead of water? How could he have deceived people into thinking Lazarus was dead from miles away? There's no way Jesus could have used illusions there, particularly when he was hung up on the cross- they stuck a spear in his side and the water was separated from the blood as it came out his side.

But enough, this is not the place to be talking of such stuff. If you want to talk about religion, do it where it's meant to be. Get this back on topic.

[bioakky]

But where's the proof that what they were drinking was wine?
Where's the profasdlfkjasdflkj?

That's right. You don't have any. Kthxbai.

[invincible13matt]

there is as much proof for a God as there is against a God. So there's a very fine line for debate here. It's just whichever evidence is more convincing. Okay, let's put it this way. We assume Jesus existed, that he did all these things, and we know he was executed. How, then, do we explain the actions of the apostles? Surely they would not do what they did because Jesus was an illusionist. They were mayrtered, every last one, save John who was exiled. Why would they do it for some crazy illusionist? Because they believed that he had risen.

[Divineslasher]

There is no proof of god man. All you have is faith, faith in believing that there's a god. Faith that gives you hope and meaning. You can't prove there is no god if you can't prove that he/she is even there. Just about everything in this world can be explained.

[Divineslasher]

Did the fear of going to hell change your mind on suicide?

[Shyox]

If she didn't know, then she sure as hell was deaf.

You're sense of humor makes me giggle until I pee.

[Shyox]

there is as much proof for a God as there is against a God. So there's a very fine line for debate here. It's just whichever evidence is more convincing. Okay, let's put it this way. We assume Jesus existed, that he did all these things, and we know he was executed. How, then, do we explain the actions of the apostles? Surely they would not do what they did because Jesus was an illusionist. They were mayrtered, every last one, save John who was exiled. Why would they do it for some crazy illusionist? Because they believed that he had risen.

... How do we know they were martyred?

And Judas was not a martyr, he was betrayed by God when he betrayed Jesus.

[Divineslasher]

The bible isn't accurate ya know. The stories in the bible were written several decades, maybe centuries. So the text will not be accurate. The bible is more like an exaggerated history book, written by people who were insane or written to benefit a religion =/

[bioakky]

If she didn't know, then she sure as hell was deaf.

You're sense of humor makes me giggle until I pee.

My sarcasm detectors are broken today.

[Shyox]

If she didn't know, then she sure as hell was deaf.

You're sense of humor makes me giggle until I pee.

My sarcasm detectors are broken today.

I thought it was funny, no joke.

[invincible13matt]

I'm not going to be bothered to debate this here. Let's put this topic back on track, and debate this where it's meant to be debated. If you really want to discuss this, do it in the religion topic.

[bioakky]

Gotcha, Shy. >_>
The until I pee part threw me off.

[wethepeople]

If you want proof, read the Bible. If you want proof of God, of creation, of his miracles, read the Bible. If you don't like the bible or think its false, then don't worry about anything, and just try and focus on what makes that real. If you don't want to, shut it. Don't say there's no proof when there's a 1000+ paged book at the nearest church or Christian home. If you don't know/haven't read the Bible, and don't know if its true or not, be silent about proving God real or not, because you don't know the proof we have to begin with. I'll start.

Jesus was real. Why? Look at history. He was crucified, and he was put to death. He was a real person (Almost all religions aknowledge him in one way or another. Yet not all of them aknowledge, say, Buddha. Why's that? He was real.). So, we know Jesus of Nazareth was real, cool. He performed many miracles in the Bible. How do we know they are true? Almost all miracles that I know if spoken in the Bible from Jesus or not have physical proof. Sodom and Gommorah was found to the point where you can travel there, and dig out the brimstone that rained down and obliterated the city by God. Fish fossils on the tops of the highest mountains. Chariots in the Red sea. Earthquake happened on the day of crucifiction. And Jericho was found. So, all of that is true, and really did happened. So why would they lie about Jesus? Jesus is the truth.

And from here on, continue discussion in the religion topic save we go, gasp, off topic.

[Shyox]

You're too naive, and we can't just attribute coincidences and bad things happening as miracles. Do you realize that NOT ONE of those acts is a GOOD miracle? They all deal with death and destruction. That's not the kind of God I want to put faith in, when he just treats us like his playthings, giving us free will for nothing. I don't want to be some tool of his that he uses, when in the end everything is purposeless and amounts to nothing. The reason for our 'creation' was only to boost his own ego, or because he was bored. As far as I have seen, God is no wiser than the rest of us, and is arrogant and the completely unhumble.

[wethepeople]

Well, God wasn't being destructive to the Christians, or Jews, was he? He was only destroying the enemies that would have their heads, so they could be free. The whole time those guys were there, and the people who had to be killed never went to them. And if God was so deadly, why are you still standing? Why is anyone breathing? Because that would sort of kick his son, Jesus, in the face. After he y'know, died for our sins, and rose again, and promises salvation. He loves us Shy, more then anything. I /promise/ you, a promise that won't be broken, that if you follow Jesus in your life, your life will be so much better. If you study his Word, and follow it, it will be so much better. All miracles listed were Old Testament, I believe. Things weren't fun then, I gather. And as for the flood, not one person on the earth was good, save Noah. They were an ancient New york, but with 100x more sin, and the entire earth was it. He got rid of them all, but cried after, and promised to never do a flood again. An all hating, all deadly God wouldn't cry from his actions, would he? It shows me that he loves us. And he doesn't need to do that again, since Jesus came, and took our sins to the cross. Same thing for Sodom and gommorah. God said, "Yea, if but 1 good man could be found, it would be saved." There was not one. Going on, Jesus died for us, as said. He knew all along that he was going to be put to death, and he went anyway. He allowd himself to be killed (Horribly.), what all powerful all hating God would send his son to the cross for our sins, so that we may be saved? And you might list off some bad times, some trials. In the words of TD Jakes, "If it is not used to lift you up, and grow you, it is not of God! It is not of God!". If the trials you face are not to make you a wiser, or stronger person, do not blame God.  God tests us as people to be the best we can be, to speak the truth, to be kind, and to love. Not to kill, slaughter, and hate. If the entire world turns against you, guess who's still there that matters? Jesus Christ.

The Holy Spirit is not evil, or destructive.

[Shyox]

Then why has m life begun to get better since my faith in traditional christianity has waned?

I will never give up believing entirely, in Jesus or God, but I can't carry on a charade that so many other Christians do.

[wethepeople]

I never said life is all hell without God. God is blessing you Shy. He's not going to cast you to the dogs if you don't believe.

Charade?