The story behind this song is why I hate America

[Crazyman93]

Leftöver Crack - Operation: M.O.V.E

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE#1978_shoot-out

Exactly.

[Snowbound Milk]

Too bad your dick's small.

[Electric Mango]

Maybe you should move to Africa.

[Fake from State Jarm]

MOVE were a bunch of assholes who did everything possible to goad everyone around them into a violent confrontation. If you are going to have a government that is 'run by the common people' then the common people have to take responsibility. instead you have people judging government employees with incredible double standards where they are expected to behave in a manner far superior to citizens and always have magical solutions to problems created by ignorant assholes who have given up on society and do everything they can to create division and provoke violence. Are police blameless, no; their position necessitates that we judge them differently than an average person. But people who hold police to such a high standard, so that citizens bear no responsibility at all, are suffering a break from reality. If Police really are expected to be superheroes who can be counted on to never make 1 mistake when their employers (us) have made 10 or 100, then we make their superiority to us a job requirement and we either submit to their judgement or are hypocrites. Basically, if you're going to demonize them for mistakes, you also have to worship them as angels every time they do something right, otherwise it will be plain to everyone you are just outsourcing moral responsibility to a government institution whenever it increases your personal convenience and comfort.

[Rezin99]

[Crazyman93]

MOVE were a bunch of assholes who did everything possible to goad everyone around them into a violent confrontation. If you are going to have a government that is 'run by the common people' then the common people have to take responsibility. instead you have people judging government employees with incredible double standards where they are expected to behave in a manner far superior to citizens and always have magical solutions to problems created by ignorant assholes who have given up on society and do everything they can to create division and provoke violence. Are police blameless, no; their position necessitates that we judge them differently than an average person. But people who hold police to such a high standard, so that citizens bear no responsibility at all, are suffering a break from reality. If Police really are expected to be superheroes who can be counted on to never make 1 mistake when their employers (us) have made 10 or 100, then we make their superiority to us a job requirement and we either submit to their judgement or are hypocrites. Basically, if you're going to demonize them for mistakes, you also have to worship them as angels every time they do something right, otherwise it will be plain to everyone you are just outsourcing moral responsibility to a government institution whenever it increases your personal convenience and comfort.

tl;dr

[Leo]

And llama just earned himself about 16 llamas.

[Cashflow]

I don't get it? is it the evolution theory? The story behind this song

[Fake from State Jarm]

stuff

tl;dr

really? it's only 2 or 3 lines longer than the paragraph you linked from wiki.

[Crazyman93]

Better line spacing. Use of Paragraphs, ect.

I also doubt there was justification for dropping a bomb on a residence, or for stopping fireman from acting once there was a real fire and not just scare tactics.

[Damon W. Panne]

Squirrel WTF Boom (Original)

[Leo]

Better line spacing. Use of Paragraphs, ect.

Not really. Line spacing is very similar and llama wrote a paragraph that you refused to read.

I also doubt there was justification for dropping a bomb on a residence, or for stopping fireman from acting once there was a real fire and not just scare tactics.

There was a justification, not sufficient for dropping the bomb, but it's not like they were just taking the heli out for a joyride and decided to start dropping c4 for the hell of it.

And in the case of the firemen, they had more than sufficient justification for not going into the burning buildings. There are actually laws in some areas where if a fire breaks out in a certain area, firemen are not allowed to enter the building to provide help until police officers arrive. The reason for this in the city where the retired cop was telling me this is that one time, a fireman reported to a fire, and when he attempted to help the person, was fired upon. As such, departments do not want to risk their firefighters to unnecessary risks when they are already in a lot of danger just trying to provide help. Trying to walk into a burning building that is the site of a shoot-out between law enforcement and another group falls under that list of things that firefighters should not have to involve themselves in(using fire hoses on civilians is another thing, but that background only provides more of a reason for the firefighters to stay away from the burning building).

[Brian]

you could have come up with sooooo much better examples of what you are attempting to show here crazy...
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ruby_Ridge comes to might immediately.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Ken_Ballew_raid this isnt very cool, but not as bad.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston_shooting im sure they meant well by planting the pot there after falsifying the documents to get the warrant in the first place... right?
http://www.thisis50.com/profiles/blogs/smh-detroit-police?xg_source=activity woops, accidentally shoot a girl in bed in that one... I may be wrong here, but im pretty sure guns now a days dont just 'go off' (correction requested?)
http://gamepolitics.com/2011/04/14/fbi-raids-university-michigan-students039-apartment-over-wow-gold-farming wow terrorists right there.

[Fake from State Jarm]

Better line spacing. Use of Paragraphs, ect.

I also doubt there was justification for dropping a bomb on a residence, or for stopping fireman from acting once there was a real fire and not just scare tactics.

  They were acting clinically insane, had amassed weapons and made threats to use them, and had boarded up their house in a military manner. It's always hilarious to me that some people will talk a bunch of shit and act as if they want to overthrow the government and start a fight, but as soon as they get the fight they're asking for and they lose, they complain in ways that demonstrate their desire for the government to act like their parent. "The government I was just calling evil and oppressive and promising to fight violently should have benevolently had faith that I was lying and respected my rights while I violated the rights of others, and found some way (which I haven't imagined and thus haven't found a way to prevent) to overcome all my defenses and disarm me without hurting me." A perfect example of the double standard; their desire for something impossible created a problem that was impossible to solve. To summarize: 1. MOVE were a bunch of psychotic deluded assholes, 2. People like that always cause tragedies, and 3. the surviving assholes band together with other assholes and use the tragedy as political ammunition.
  If you want police to develop incredibly advanced technology and tactics for nonlethal suppression of crazy people, you are just giving them more power they can abuse. In much the same way, if you want them to be able to perfectly navigate moral quandaries such as the one we're discussing, you are expecting them to be superior to you. If they ever did meet the ridiculously high standard you set for them, they might be justified in doing things of this nature and you would have no way of knowing or any right to question them, because of their moral and intellectual superiority to you.
  You cannot give all the responsibility to someone else and still have power. Either the citizens share some of the responsibility, or the citizens lose the right to question those to whom they gave responsibility. So if we share power with the government, we the people are also responsible for tragedies like this, not just the government. You'll find there's a whole spectrum of corrupt political strategies that are based on appealing to people's desire to have power (freedoms, rights) without responsibility.

[Leo]

Actually, Brian, modern guns can still fire accidentally. It's one of the reasons hunters are told not to check if their gun is loaded by just looking down the barrel(the thought that some people don't realize this is sad). Guns can misfire when dropped and when a gun misfires in an already tense situation, normally everyone panics. Because of that, I won't hold that tragedy against the officers. While I feel empathy for the father, you have to take into account that the officers were involved in a scuffle when the gun went off, so they were probably as confused as everyone else and just wanted to get a handle on what just happened without it continuing to escalate.

Every other case, yeah, someone messed up big time.

[Crazyman93]

Well, if properly handled, a gun will not randomly go off. Usually. Same was true for older guns.
Some poorly made Semi-Autos and all autos, when dropped will empty the clip as well. It's an alarming sight.

[Leo]

What crazy just said. For a gun to misfire, it takes a really specific set of circumstances(being dropped, outside environment, other alleged issues that are extremely tough to reproduce).

[Crazyman93]

Difficult if you maintain it at least. A Kalashnikov Pattern Assault Rifle(AK, AKM, AK-74, ect.), will take a whole damn lot to malfunction, I've actually heard stories of US troops in Vietnam taking them and getting hit with friendly fire. Meanwhile an M16 will malfunction after roughly a day in a desert without cleaning.

[Leo]

Yeah, AK's were made with an extremely simple design that contains fewer moving parts. Because of that, they are less prone to jamming in desert conditions. M16s, from what I've heard, are absolute shit in the desert though because they are so complex that there are lots of spaces in which there can be a jam.

A police handgun, however, probably does not have too much of a jamming problem. I can not speak for how well they are maintained, though, so that could be an issue in some departments.

[Crazyman93]

Yeah, there are stories of AKs being pulled out of bogs from under decaying bodies, and firing rounds, granted, the same story is said for the PPSh, the Soviet SMG of WWII, though I'm willing to belive it will get you out of the wilderness.
All guns need to be cleaned after firing, the AK series is made so that in a war, anyone can use it, even without having to clean it.