I'm not an avid reader, but I do often chuckle at them.

In the words of the doctor from Family Guy:

"Can it be both?"

A dead one.

Cats rule, dogs drool!

Well, in writing the previous post, I tried to look up online what the worst movie ever is. One of the contenders was Alone in the Dark, which I've seen. It's bad, but not that bad. However, the officially lowest rated film on Rotten Tomatoes is National Lampoon's Gold Diggers. So that's the film we'll make you watch!

Been a fan for a while. "Business Time", "The Humans Are Dead", "Rhymenocerous vs. Hiphopapotamus" are all genius.

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I've never seen and Indiana Jones movie besides this one and I would give it an 8 at least just because the two Russians got eatin alive by giant ants and because the girl Russian had her head explode.

Giant ants were ok, especially when they formed a column. The head exploding was crap though.

Also, don't even think to make another comment until you've seen Raiders. Seriously. Or I will come to your house and sew your eyes open, and make you watch Flubber over and over again!

what's wrong with Flubber?

Then you are truly lost, Anakin!

I'm not entirely sure why I'm continuing this debate - I certainly have better things to do, and you've shown yourself to have the language comprehension and attitude of a 5 year old, addressing almost none of my points, ignoring facts that don't agree with your ill-conceived opinions, and resorting to ad hominem attacks (that means insulting your opposition, by the way). But I feel like carrying on because I'm sort of hoping there's a chance you might actually wake up and debate like an adult.

Oh I'm sorry that they actually did something that's REAL. You don't know anything do you? About the Crystal Skulls in real life? Yeah, they exist. Yeah, most people believe they were made by aliens. I swear to god, if they did lizard men, I'd kill myself.

You have blatantly ignored the link I posted, which proves that 1) I knew they existed, 2) I knew most people thought they were made by aliens, and 3) they have almost categorically been proven to be fake. If you're going to refuse to acknowledge counterargument, this debate won't go anywhere. Also, ad hominems aside, just because it's real doesn't make it better. Plausibility is the important thing, and it wasn't plausible, no matter how many people are idiots in real life.

And stop blaming Speilberg and Lucas. Jesus Christ, you people no NOTHING about this movie do you? Speilberg and Lucas didn't WRITE it. Lucas created Indiana Jones, that's all. Speilberg directed it, that's all. The plot is because of the WRITER which was NEITHER OF THEM.

Ignoring further ridiculous claims (obviously anyone who has seen the movie knows about it - oh, and that's know with a k, not "no"), it is again largely irrelevant whether they wrote it or not. They saw the script before they agreed to make the film. They didn't have to make the film. They didn't have to agree to the script. If I go to a restaurant, and everything on the menu is shit, I'm not obliged to stay and eat, even if I pick something which is the best of a band bunch. I am perfectly within my rights to leave. By continuing their involvement, both Spielberg and Lucas have explicitly given their approval of this film, even if it's not necessarily the one they wanted to make. They might not have written it, but they failed to realise it was shit.

Learn some facts about real life and the movie before trying to debate this with me.

Again, are you 5 years old? I realise that in turn could ironically be taken as an ad hominem, but it really stems from a disbelief that you're anything approaching a mature age, because mature people don't debate like you.

Bottom Line: Pissed off about the plot? Bitch at Paramount for not letting the Speilberg use the scripts he wanted to because they were religious. Don't bitch at Speilberg and don't bitch at Lucas. Lucas had nothing to do with this movie besides the fact he created Indiana Jones.

Just because Paramount are at fault doesn't mean Spielberg and Lucas aren't. See above, re: approval. Furthermore, either or both of them could probably have stopped the film from happening had they wanted to. That they didn't, and that Spielberg, IIRC, was the driving force behind the creation of a 4th film, means they are just as much to blame.

Also, stop trying to compare it to Raiders of the Last Crusade. It was NEVER going to be as good as those. The entire movie was actually very interesting, once again because I know quite a bit about the Crystal Skulls and the legends behind them, but I guess some uneducated people just wouldn't get it.

A few points here. Firstly, it is possibly the most laughable and simultaneously childish/insulting ad hominem of all that you would call me uneducated. I'm at one of the top 5 universities in the UK (one of the top 20 in the world), having been to one of the top 5 schools in the UK. I have a lifetime subscription to New Scientist, I have a collection of interesting BBC articles stretching back some time, I read quite a lot. Granted I didn't know much about the skulls before I saw the film, but I read up on them afterwards. Regardless, this is not an e-peen swinging contest. If you'd care to grow up a little, perhaps we can debate like civilised people. Also, since when does someone need to be educated to have an opinion, or to be right? You claim that the entire film was interesting, but if it requires prior knowledge of the crystal skulls, then it is a bad movie, or rather, it was not intended for the audience it was marketed to. Unlike the Ark of the Covenant, or the Holy Grail, the crystal skulls were hardly a world-famous talking point beforehand. If prior knowledge was required to make the film interesting (you said 'because' with no qualifier like partly), then it is a film for crystal skull buffs, and not a film for Indy fans.

Secondly, there's no reason it couldn't have been as good as Raiders or Last Crusade. Apart from the love dialogue, Revenge of the Sith is my favourite of the Star Wars films, and I maintain that, at its best moments, it is the greatest of all 6 (i.e. including the originals), probably because of the Tom Stoppard influence. Batman Begins, though standing in a slightly different relation to its precursors, is easily the best Batman film. I'm not a fan of it, but people seem to love Casino Royale more than any of the preceding Bond films (despite Daniel Craig being shit). The continuation of a franchise, even after a long gap, is not guarantee of greateness or shitness either way.

Again, I'm not sure why I bothered here, as, judging by your previous post, you are likely to ignore my individual points and just restate your opinion, probably while lobbing some more insults around. I hope to be proven wrong...

Apparently someone can't read.

>_> Mature. So anyone who disagrees with you must not have read your reply. The very fact that I put "But" at the start of my sentence implies it is a rebuttal, rather than blindly restating my opinion.

PARAMOUNT WOULDN'T LET THEM DO RELIGION! WITHOUT PARAMOUNT, THERE WOULDN'T EVEN BE AN INDIANA JONES. THE WRITER DID THE BEST HE COULD WITHOUT DOING SOMETHING RELIGIOUS.

I disagree entirely. Better to leave the supernatural out of it entirely than have it about aliens. It just doesn't fit with the franchise. I have nothing against alien stuff - I have seen every episode of X-Files. But, for me, Indy always kept itself sort of grounded, even when it was doing the religious stuff. Not only that, but the aliens were so trite and cliche.

Besides, at least the Crystal Skull thing is believable since they ACTUALLY exist, since there have been numerous cases of paranormal activity with them and since most people believe they were made by aliens due to the fact (like the explained in the movie) in order for the skulls to be made of crystal like that would take highly advanced machinery.

Except that they have all just been rubbished. People are idiots, they believe a lot of things.

What else could they do? "Indiana Jones and the Ghost in the Hospital", "Indiana Jones fights Dracula!", "Indiana Jones fights the Marshmellow man with the Ghostbusters!"

They could easily have done the undead (The Mummy and its sequels are excellent examples), or any sort of curse scenario (like Final Destination), or even a natural other species, like lizard men or troglodytes. Your reductio ad absurdum is no way to win an argument. The fact is it was totally unnecessary to have aliens in the first place, and it was also poorly handled.

This is a public forum!  You revealed our secret!

You mean the secrat that you're just a figment of Azural's imagination? A net-based alter-ego based on his desire to not be alone? I didn't see any mention of that at all...  

But Indy is not about aliens. It can do the supernatural, with Raiders and Last Crusade - religious stuff is fine. But alines? Fuck right off. It's a good film when they're not jabbering about aliens, could even have been an 8, but the silliness of it and the inappropriateness for an Indiana Jones adventure (which is sort of supposed to keep its feet on the ground) loses it a lot of appeal.