Freedom of Speech: Life or Death

[Pterrydactyl]

Leo, that makes absolutely no sense in reguard to the issue.

I left this topic, and Only glanced though when leo posted, but seriously.  That makes NO SENSE.


The whole reason this topic exists, is because GS is complaining that mods took a stand and stopped the harassment of members who felt they were getting harassed, and now your saying that because we did that, we are stifling your freedom of speech and prosecuting you by protecting others?


If anything your quote says we should take more action.

What the fuck???

[Buck Turgidson]

Pterrydactylhis, it is freedom of speech that is being harassed here.

[Buck Turgidson]

@Grilledslug - I thought I told you to shut the fuck up?  Pterrydactylhis has a point that individual rights are more important that freedom of speech.

[Buck Turgidson]

GS, what about the rights of individuals who are being told to shut up?  Can't an individual be accountable for their own actions - this works in both cases.  And at least the community does not have to suffer.

[Pterrydactyl]

Your freedom of speech isn't being harassed.  You can say whatever, so long as you don't impede on others freedoms to post here without beong log attacked.  I'm not sure what part of that you done understand.

You seriously sound like those morons who were complaining about the pepper spraying of the protestors at that university.  They were saying their freedom to assemble and protest was being stifled, when they used that freedom to surround police and refused to let them go.

Those of us who have nodded topics recently do not do it to infringe on your rights, stop trying to make it seem like that.  We did it to protect the rights of the people who were being harassed and opressed by bullies touting freedom of speech as a reason to do whatever they want.

[Brian]

I changed my mind, im with GS on this topic. Mostly because Pterrydactyl's arguments are so bad it makes me feel like he must be wrong about whatever he is arguing against...

so Pterrydactyl, your telling me that in order to have individual rights, we must take into account group rights? I don't see that written anywhere in the rule books.

we have rules and laws not to keep the citizens in check, but to keep the ruling class in check. I know your military training probably wiped that out of your teeny tiny brain, but that's why they are there. If there is no rule or law saying that the gov cant do a certain thing, that doesn't mean you get to go off and do it willy nilly. 

[Leo]

Leo, that makes absolutely no sense in reguard to the issue.

I left this topic, and Only glanced though when leo posted, but seriously.  That makes NO SENSE.


The whole reason this topic exists, is because GS is complaining that mods took a stand and stopped the harassment of members who felt they were getting harassed, and now your saying that because we did that, we are stifling your freedom of speech and prosecuting you by protecting others?


If anything your quote says we should take more action.

What the fuck???

I was more saying that just because we're not being oppressed like people in the Middle East, it doesn't mean that we're safe.

Also, the fucks were never given.

[Brian]

i understood leo, i understood.
noobs dont know bout my history lesson.

[Pterrydactyl]

Basically:

Yes, freedom of speech is a right we need to respect, and moderate as little as possible.  HOWEVER, freedom of speech, should not take precedence or infringe on the basic human rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.


Let me ask you this:

At what point, should someone step in to help someone who is getting oppressed or harassed?

Let me just steal Leo's quote, because it applies to my side of the arguement (thanks for the quote ):

"First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me."

If something is going too far and there are complaints, should we just standby and let it happen because it doesn't effect us?

Because they claim freedom of speech?


Where is the line?

[Leo]

Why must there be lines, Apo? Why must there be division? Can we not coexist as one family?

[Electric Mango]

I can not stand to sit by and watch RIA tear it self apart from the inside with all of this bickering.  I have too many friends on both side of this issue to see you all go at each other like cats and dogs.  There is only one solution, give me total control of these boards, I will be the lone moderator.  That way, good, bad, or ugly, all decisions will rest on my soldiers and if any one is going to get mad, they will have to be angry with me.  I would rather have all the ire pointed in my direction than to see my brothers and sisters go at each others throats.  It is the love for all of you that propels me to seize control of your boards for your own good.  May we finally have peace.

Kenny, you know what to do.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

Actually, Electric Mango,

I'm frankly for total elimination of freedom of speech here at this point.

It's the perfect solution to this problem right now.

Maybe then, RIA will stop dividing itself over a troll topic for four, going on five, pages.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

By the way, this is total bullshit, you guys don't break out into mass argument when I make a topic about my poop.

[Fake from State Jarm]

By the way, this is total oxshit, you guys don't break out into mass argument when I make a topic about my poop.

kenny it's really hard to understand how you can be jealous of the attention and controversy generated by your own female alts. but if this is really bothering you that much, remember that thing you were talking about doing, to fix all this, which I asked you not to do because it would set a bad precedent and irreparably harm RIA culture forever?

It may be our only chance.

[Leo]

By the way, this is total oxshit, you guys don't break out into mass argument when I make a topic about my poop.

That is because we are all in agreement of how much we enjoy seeing your shit.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

remember that thing you were talking about doing, to fix all this, which I asked you not to do because it would set a bad precedent and irreparably harm RIA culture forever?

It may be our only chance.

Are you talking about the black thing? Yeah, RIA does need more black people. In fact, I'm pretty sure Shadow is the only black guy here.

I have some black friends who have been saying they really want to get into a web page based nation simulator with strong emphasis with role playing metagame crap (like seven or eight guys total).

I'll be sure to send them to the Head of Letting People In Here

[Cashflow]

OMG! you used the term "black" you racist SOB, you need to be sent in for racial reeducation sensitivity training !!! I think you owe Shadow some reparations. Shadow don't worry!!! I've got your back.

[Electric Mango]

Leo's almost black

[Cashflow]

Leo's almost black

almost black? racial reeducation sensitivity training for all

[Kenneth Kenstar]

I meant blah people