I still never see you on. ._.

Only about 10% of the alliance is actually from RI. ;>.> Many of them probably do not know what CE is.

You're strengthening my argument by continuing this circle. >_>

<i>you've validly, circularly proven that you are, by implication; all things that ask themselves questions are real.</i>

>_> I disagree. In essence, you've given a simplified form of Descartes' argument for the validity of existence. Strong though it may be, it does not take into account the possibility of the logic we utilize to come to that conclusion as not truly existing. We could be illusions of ourselves using an illusion of logic we believe to exist, simply because we're incapable of thinking in a manner that belies its existence. >_>

Yes, you are right that these debates always get circular, BUT due to the impossibility of proving that anything exists, there must be cause for doubt. The neat thing is that if the logic we understand is only an illusion to go along with everything else, then it still reinforces my point. ;>.>

Descartes tried to eliminate faith from his proof, in order to prove the existence of God without the use of faith, but in doing so, he removed a crucial counterexample to his proof of the validity of existence. >_>

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And this is all assuming that anything at all exists.

to question whether 'anything at all' exists is one of the most profoundly illogical mental stunts an awareness can perform

Tell that to Rene Descartes. >_>

How can you be certain that you exist? By what standards do you judge the meaning of existence? And are those standards truly indivisible and unquestionable? Don't get me wrong, I too believe that existence is real, but I cannot extend my confidence regarding it beyond belief. It is not knowledge.

But anyway, back to the point at hand. We are alive to experience a cruel joke? How is pain a cruel joke? Is pain an inherently malicious experience? Is it humorous? If so, what is on the giving end of this joke? The words you use to explain meaning need to be clear and certain. Any ambiguity in meaning is contradictory.

We are only alive to feel pain. By the end of it we yearn for death and hope it will come quickly. Life really holds no meaning and the quicker it is over the better.

What makes pain so valuable that it was worth causing life to happen?

No, seriously, f**k Elmo. I wouldn't trust him to teach my kids anything, let alone about death. I'd rather have them watch Barney, and I ALWAYS thought Barney blew compared to Sesame Street.

I will pay 2.75 million per 50 tech each to everyone willing to sell, and 250K to every middleman who helps out. Goes down ASAP.

Oops. >_> I want to delete this topic.

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