Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Buck Turgidson on April 04, 2012, 12:08:11 am
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http://techland.time.com/2012/04/03/arizona-looks-to-outlaw-internet-trolling/ (http://techland.time.com/2012/04/03/arizona-looks-to-outlaw-internet-trolling/)
First SOPA/ACTA. now this. Pretty soon I will have to go back to trolling myself and not press charges.
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lol, this is hilarious.
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Idiots.
edit: f'ing fiters!
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My alliance might have to disband due to lack of active membership should this pass. Damn.
Since this would be a state law, wouldn't it only apply to people within the state trolling others within the state? How would you know where the person trolling you lives? Except for FB hazing, etc.
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Basically, say I were to troll you. I could be charged with a misdemeanor at worst. Say you were to troll me. You'd be fine.
This won't pass. If it DOES, it'll be declared unconstitutional and I'll never vote for Brewer again. Actually, I never voted for her in the first place. o_O
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how can we troll this
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I'd brewher a cockmeat sandwich.
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actually, oh dear god no I wouldn't.
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Snowbound, it's ok if you're queer as folk - we love you the way you are. Not that way.
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lol, I wonder how they'd even seek to enforce this. Jurisdiction on the internet is very difficult to define.
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not exactly. I mean, a law in Maryland allowed the US to seize assets of a company in canada.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/dont-bet-on-linsanity-us-seizes-online-gambling-domain-over-sports-wagers.ars (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/dont-bet-on-linsanity-us-seizes-online-gambling-domain-over-sports-wagers.ars)
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not exactly. I mean, a law in Maryland allowed the US to seize assets of a company in canada.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/dont-bet-on-linsanity-us-seizes-online-gambling-domain-over-sports-wagers.ars (http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/dont-bet-on-linsanity-us-seizes-online-gambling-domain-over-sports-wagers.ars)
but isn't doing that to another state much harder than doing it to canada?
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Let me state that again.
A Us State was able to seize something in a foreign province based on a law within that state.
Thats pretty much internationally illegal.
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Let me state that again.
A Us State was able to seize something in a foreign province based on a law within that state.
Thats pretty much internationally illegal.
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but isn't doing that to another state much harder than doing it to canada?
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This is an example of extra-territorial legal enforcement. In the age of globalisation and the internet, legal lines can get blurred.
As a Canadian working in Europe, for an American company, my actions in the market are tempered by the US FCPA as well as Anti-Trust laws. So I cannot engage in bribery or price-fixing, else the mother company in the US could be sued and fined. In Europe, they have similar laws as well, so we could effectively nailed in both directions (c'mon Gangs, here is your opening).
The reason for this is that in the past, companies would open separate legal entities, and then bahave very differently in foreign markets (up to the point of AT&T assasinating executives of competitors in some South American countries in the 50s and 60s), creating local monopolies, and generally fostering corruption worldwide. This actually hurt the companies involved, and especially the consumers, so the laws are enforced this way to ensure US businesses are kept in a constant state of competition and relatively honest - a departure rather than a continuation of pre-1945 imperialism that led to the 2 big wars.
It hurt them because noone had a high moral ground to stand on to tamp down on corruption, which meant the fight was symetrical, and therefore bloody. It also gives a more positive image for America abroad, and is fundamentally in line with the Yalta agreement. The EU, just having been formed, has followed suit, and now has similar laws, so an EU based company operating in China is subject to EU Competition Law. This process has proven itself because despite these "restrictions", US companies have thrived everywhere, and because the consumer benefits, the local economies grow rather than get crushed by monopolies. US companies are there for the long haul, and no longer seen as part of the problem. A different kind of empire.
That said, Sometimes the US goes too far, as in the Helms-Burton Act, in which the assets of Canadian companies operating in the US can be seized if they profited from the purchase of Cuban lands owned by the US prior to the revolution. Executives travelling through the US can be imprisoned as well. Basically they are held accountable for the value of the Cuban assets, as well as all profits generated from them since they were sold to the Canadian firms by Castro, who nationalised them in 1960 (or thereabouts).
The Canadian response at the time that this law was being passed was stellar: The Canadian government agreed with Helms-Burton, and offered support for drafting an airtight law, to ensure a strong dispute resolution process and continuation of our long-standing legal co-operation (which is of course the basis of ensuring a good trade partnership). Senators Helms and Burton were taken a little aback, but could not refuse the offer. When they met, the Canadian legal minister went through the draft with them, and they agreed on pretty much everything, and at the end reminded the US senators that both of our legal systems are based on precedence, and that once a precedent is established, it can open the door to other lawsuits ie from other geographies. Then he presented tot hem the original deeds to the lands of the loyalists from the 13 colonies who fled to Canada after the American Revolution, and using the same calculation, the bill would astronomical.
So Helms-Burton is enforced tentatively, and held in check by the threat of establishing an unfavourable precedent...
OK, Llamavore, compete with this wall of text.
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I'm glad this law is happening
I hate trolls
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OK, Llamavore, compete with this wall of text.
The Snake Woman Nokulunga Buthelezi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICk-KUGOmmQ#)
Sexiest Performer - You won't close your eyes for a while!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3PdgFAy4_0#)
America's Got Talent - Lilia Stepanova (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJG-X-zyCKs#)
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You win.
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Let me state that again.
A Us State was able to seize something in a foreign province based on a law within that state.
Thats pretty much internationally illegal.
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but isn't doing that to another state much harder than doing it to canada?
No, they will do it the same way. They will contract the a federal agency (probably the FBI since they are in charge of cyber security for the most part), and have them enforce the law on other states if the violation happens to either a citizen in their state or goes through servers in their state.
There is actually procedure in place where if you violate the laws of another state while outside that state and it affects said state, they can bring you to that state for trial. US Marshalls do it all the time.
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lol, I wonder how they'd even seek to enforce this. Jurisdiction on the internet is very difficult to define.
In a matter of words, they couldn't. If they could, you'd see more then just the people that ran the sites that are shut down by the FBI on trial.
But let's ignore how they'd enforce it. How the fuck would they define what trolling is?
This is what, the second law Arizona has passed that they can't enforce? I'm glad I don't live there because I'd be PISSED that they're using fucking public money for stupid shit like this.
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Compared to the shit they piss away public money on here, this is nothing.
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Yeah, in Maryland they're giving it all to illegal immigrants so they can go to college.
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same in IL. Heres my question, of someone is here illegally, and then REGISTERS WHERE THEY ARE, why does the INS not go get them?
Or that big Illegal immigrant protest? THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD FUCKING TRUCKS WAITING.
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Blah blah civil rights blah blah entrapment.
Not that I buy any of that crap.
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How was it entrapment? The illegals organized and publicized the protest themselves.
I have no respect for illegal immigrants. Some people think it's because I'm racist (I'm not), but it's because I don't like people who openly break the law the way they do.
Personally though, I think we'd solve a large amount of our problems by making it more difficult to cross the border illegally, and at the same time, making it easier for people to get US citizenship before moving here.
Easier to get citizenship = less illegals AND AS A BONUS!!! More collected state and federal taxes, not to mention an increase in working conditions for people doing this low-end labor (as they'd be getting paid at least minimum wage, and their employers would actually get in trouble for violating civil rights laws *coughtraderjoescough*.
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Well, registering for Gov money as an illegal is entrapment
Something about the 5th amendment would be used too.
Granted, as far as I'm concerned, if you aren't a US Citizen, holder of a Green Card, or other paperwork letting you into the country (such as being a tourist from a European ally.) legally, you aren't entitled to any of those rights.
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Reminder: This is what Mexico looks like every day
rompiendole su madre a los z (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykzFOmv9pyI#ws)
matando zetas 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAAekgXfhIA#)
Impresionante enfrentamiento... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw2e8rWXArk#)
This is mild as fuck reality. This doesn't even touch on the routine beheadings, scalping, hanging mutilated bodies over bridges, and literal warfare on the streets between the Narco, the Army, and the cartels.
And this is America's fault. We continue to let this happen.
The Sinaloa Cartel is considered by the United States Intelligence Community to be the "the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world." They recently thanked Presidents Bush and Obama for allowing the War on Drugs to continue and be successful.
Drug Lord Thanks Obama, Bush, & Reagan For War On Drugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r81_GhjOzv0#ws)
As though it wasn't hard enough already, the cartel and other gangs routinely illusion people into thinking they will take them across the border, instead will be kidnapped.
All the while, US Banks are making interest on the entire industry and knowingly.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/03/us-bank-mexico-drug-gangs)
During a 22-month investigation by agents from the US Drug Enforcement Administration, the Internal Revenue Service and others, it emerged that the cocaine smugglers had bought the plane with money they had laundered through one of the biggest banks in the United States: Wachovia, now part of the giant Wells Fargo.
The authorities uncovered billions of dollars in wire transfers, traveller's cheques and cash shipments through Mexican exchanges into Wachovia accounts. Wachovia was put under immediate investigation for failing to maintain an effective anti-money laundering programme. Of special significance was that the period concerned began in 2004, which coincided with the first escalation of violence along the US-Mexico border that ignited the current drugs war.
Criminal proceedings were brought against Wachovia, though not against any individual, but the case never came to court. In March 2010, Wachovia settled the biggest action brought under the US bank secrecy act, through the US district court in Miami. Now that the year's "deferred prosecution" has expired, the bank is in effect in the clear. It paid federal authorities $110m in forfeiture, for allowing transactions later proved to be connected to drug smuggling, and incurred a $50m fine for failing to monitor cash used to ship 22 tons of cocaine.
More shocking, and more important, the bank was sanctioned for failing to apply the proper anti-laundering strictures to the transfer of $378.4bn – a sum equivalent to one-third of Mexico's gross national product – into dollar accounts from so-called casas de cambio (CDCs) in Mexico, currency exchange houses with which the bank did business.
I don't give a fuck about the tax costs associated with illegal immigrants when we are the damn reason they are immigrating.
I can not possibly complain about Mexicans without feeling like a fucking asshole. I can not get wrapped up in my white people problems so much that I need to complain about "how many there are", "oh, but they are breaking the law", and "they aren't paying taxes" and ignoring the fact that there is a whole bunch of fucking oxshit going on in the world and continue to not do anything about it.
So, personally, I think we should stop being such stupid assholes and think about how in the world will they ever forgive our ignorance and greed before we get to "but, those people who don't make enough to be taxed anyway aren't being taxed".
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If you build a wall, you will soon become accustomed to living behind it.
The US should grant immediate citizenship to everyone within its borders, which would effectively clarify the problem between the INS and IRS. No more illegals, no more abuse of what are effectively slaves, who have no rights, no recourse to justice, no more white boys complaining about not being able to tax the people who do the jobs they won't.
And tear down that wall Mr. Obama, tear down that wall. Open the borders, and in 20 years you will know who the true Americans are. I'm pretty sure it is not the whining maggots whose attention is on the illegal immigrants instead of the employers in whose interest they are present...
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I don't give a fuck about the tax costs associated with illegal immigrants when we are the damn reason they are immigrating.
I can not possibly complain about Mexicans without feeling like a fucking asshole. I can not get wrapped up in my white people problems so much that I need to complain about "how many there are", "oh, but they are breaking the law", and "they aren't paying taxes" and ignoring the fact that there is a whole bunch of fucking oxshit going on in the world and continue to not do anything about it.
So, personally, I think we should stop being such stupid assholes and think about how in the world will they ever forgive our ignorance and greed before we get to "but, those people who don't make enough to be taxed anyway aren't being taxed".
On the contrary, I think the average citizens have every right to complain, at least when we're talking about the ones being directly effected by the consequences, while profiting the least. Of course their complaints are misguided, they should be complaining about the farm bill and the america-centric industries that maintain mexico's economic dysfunction, rather than just blaming immigrants. But it's not wrong for them to complain, certainly no more than it is wrong for the mexicans to emigrate. However if the problem was fixed tomorrow our food prices and our standard of living would probably change, and they'd complain about that too. I don't feel too bad about it, it's not like any one race has the monopoly on ignorance.
there's an implicit arrogance in thinking that white people are so powerful that we can cause all the problems in the world without anyone else complying or playing a part.
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I don't care if they are mexican, canadian, or from any other country.
They are here illegally. As for granting all illegals citizenship, guess what, they did that once, and it didn't change anything.
While there has to be regulation, we also need to make it easier for people to come here legally.
It's hard for me to explain, but when people just openly break laws, it pisses me off. I mean, if they have no problem breaking our laws about immigration, who says they don't have a problem stealing, or killing?
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I jay-walked once. Does that mean I am more likely to murder someone?
Mexicans are moving to the US because they know that is where the source of the money is - all the drug revenues, fruit-picking money, concierge work... And in relative security to boot. Think about that - they think the US is safer than their country! The handgun capital of the world.
They are escaping a dire situation, and forced into crime by capital interests to keep your wages down. I mean, I have no problem with it - in Canada University education is a right and not the priviledge it is in the US, so illegals are unlikely to ever bump me from my job. But their presence is actually what keeps Americans from running their own society into ruin with a culture of entitlement.
If you complain about illegals, remember that they chose to go to the US - what did you do to earn your citizenship besides be born there? Not you Apo, I know you shot some Iraqi villagers in defence of freedom, so you've earned it. Too much?
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First, I didn't wound or kill any Iraqi's while I was overseas. It's a common misconception that we are just shooting everyone up overseas, but I won't go into that right now.
Yes, my citizenship was granted by birth. I'm 2nd generation in the US. I decided to join the Army because I had always wanted to serve in the military. What was going on at the time in the world did not effect the decision I had made before 9/11/01.
Suffice it to say, there are many people in the US who don't deserve to just be handed their citizenship, but that doesn't mean that people here illegaly should get it for nothing. In fact, I know many people who actually went through the process to legally immigrate here, who are also against illegal immigration.
Most of the illegals who come here are from mexico, but thats because it's easier for them to come here illegally, than legally, which is something that needs to change. One of the things we really need to do, is make it easier for people to come here legally and get citizenship.
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The focus should not be on the illegals but on the people who profit from their presence. Like Ford said, "Show me who profits from war and I will show you how to prevent war."
Incidentally, Rome granted citizenship to its slaves, but that led them into decline because they had gotten used to it for so long, their economy could not adapt. Do you want that fate to befall the US?
US history says they ended slavery with the Emancipation Proclamation, but here we are in the 21st century, and Americans are upset with the 40 million illegal immigrants in their country, perplexed by the fact that they are there despite Bush's wall, and think the government is to blame because of procedural nonsense revolving around the INS.
News flash - that is the cover story for the modern slavery system. Americans still have the work ethic and smarts to be competitive, but cushoning yourselves on slave labour with make you soft within a generation. It is a fight for survival.
Grant them citizenship and the problem disappears overnight, the US gains a huge tax revenue boost, and your crime rate will probably drop. And those people have earned the right to be there when you think of what they went through to cross the border and live for years on the fringe of society.
BTW I was just yanking your chain about shooting villagers in Iraq. Military service is an honourable way to earn citizenship. Morons who sit on their couches, playing x-Box, and bitching about illegals taking their jobs should be used for target practice.
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What if you don't live in Arizona ?
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We all profit from illegals by not having to pay $7 for an orange.
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Yes, but you profit a few dollars here and there. I wonder how much Del Monte profits?
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Really, if we had a way to track everyone who was here in the US illegally and granted them citizenship, I'd probably not be very happy with it (because, it's basically rewarding them for being here for breaking the law), but at the same time, I agree that it would solve problems.
However, whoever did that, would need to do it on their way out of the office because they KNOW they'd never get re-elected.
As I said, my problem is that illegals are openly breaking the law by being here illegally, and I would definatly support a way to make coming here legally much easier, but one of the hangups that is had, is that to be a citizen of the US, you can not own land in other countries, and some illegals don't want to give up the land they have back in their home country, which is why they get citizenship denied, then they came here anyway. Those are illegals I really have the problem with. They have the ability and means to get legal citizenship, but choose not to because they don't want to follow international laws.
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Americans can own land in other countries - it is just that they have to renounce their citizenship from their country of origin. The US is rare in not allowing dual citizenship, which is probably yet another reason for the number of illegals in your country.
But again, to blame them is silly - if anything, the people you need to blame are the ones who make the law and then don't enforce it. Really, if the executive arm is so weak, what is the point of having a law in the first place?
The answer is: to create a class of modern day slaves, who in addition to hardship, attract the scorn of the people they serve, doing jobs that they don't deign to do.
And I don't think a lot of them are rich landowners who have migrated to the US to spend their fortunes. If this were the case, you would simply not have an illegal immigration problem - they would be a net boon to the floundering US economy.
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1 hire illegals to make a 40 foot tall 100000 volt electric fence with a 40 foot deep concrete base.
2 be for turning it on ask them to look at it from the other side. Turn it on.
3 any one who gets over under or threw we welcome your ingenuity and your self to the us. have a green card. now fix it.
Or make a few "live mouse traps " you know the ones with the one way door. For people with AC food water. and pick them up once a week.
Also the us has dual citizenship. It is given to childeran of us couples who were born out side the us. As on a millatary base or such. Peace core what have you
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That's not full dual citizenship - if you are born outside the US, you can't pass your citizenship on to your kids.
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Yes, but you profit a few dollars here and there. I wonder how much Del Monte profits?
Sounds like everyone wins.
Everyone likes to bitch about illegals coming here and taking American's jobs. But they are taking jobs American think they are too fucking good for anyway, and are not willing to work for what the job is worth. The only real difference is that the jobs they are coming here for are the ones that we cannot physically outsource.
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Solution: Return fire.
- Move to India to work in a Microsoft call center.
- Move to Mexico and work in a sweatshop.
- Move to Indonesia and send your kids to work for Nike.
Or stay home and pick up your own garbage.
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The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html)
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According to string theory, string ball is a highly excited long string which decays to standard model particles at the Hagedorn temperature with thermal spectrum. If there are extra dimensions, the string scale can be ~ TeV, and we should produce string balls at CERN LHC. In this paper we study top quark production from string balls at LHC and compare with the parton fusion results at NNLO using pQCD. We find significant top quark production from string balls at LHC which is comparable to standard model pQCD results. We also find that dσ/dpT of top quarks from string balls does not decrease significantly with increase in pT, whereas it deceases sharply in case of standard model pQCD scenario. Hence, in the absence of black hole production at LHC, an enhancement in top quark cross section and its abnormal pT distribution can be a signature of TeV scale string physics at LHC. String theory is also studied at LHC via string Regge excitations in the weak coupling limit in model independent framework. Since massive quark production amplitude is not available in string Regge excitations scenario, we compute massless quark production in string Regge excitations scenario and make a clear comparison with that produced from string balls at LHC for a given luminosity.
http://iopscience.iop.org/1126-6708/2009/06/071 (http://iopscience.iop.org/1126-6708/2009/06/071)
Oh yeah, and they can't be President unless born in the US...
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worst idea ever, then i couldnt troll u guys
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You can have duel citizenship in some countries. My grandama was born in Ireland and has Duel citizenship in the US, and my dad (because he was her son) has duel citizenship in the US and Ireland as well. However, I am ineligtible without renouncing my U.S. Citizenship.
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I went to Dublin a few months ago, a business trip, but also to get in touch with some of my roots. Here is what I found:
Guiness does indeed taste better in Dublin. In fact, it is phenomenal.
Second best is Boston. Apparently, this is because it travels by sea direct from port to port, and does not travel well by road...
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apparently the illegals are fleeing back to Mexico cause Obama created so many jobs for them here in America
http://news.investors.com/article/609189/201204251909/obamanomics-no-match-for-the-jobs-mexican-illegals-find-at-home.htm (http://news.investors.com/article/609189/201204251909/obamanomics-no-match-for-the-jobs-mexican-illegals-find-at-home.htm)
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So Obama is doing a better job of tackling illegals than Bush?
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If catering to their every whim to the point where they are like "whats the point" is taking cfare of them...
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Well, they are leaving. Bad sign though...like rats off a sinking ship.