Virginia is leaning 93% towards Obama

[DrunkWino]

virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.

The two party system is a good thing.

Hell no it isn't. No party should ever be able to boast a majority government.

[Fake from State Jarm]

virginia is still full of dumbfucks. any vote for a demo or repub nominee is a vote for the two party system.

The two party system is a good thing.

Parties are a bad idea in general

a no-party system is far superior

yup. barring that, the more parties there are, the more it will be like a no party system, presumably. it will be harder for parties to monopolize influence and they'll have to survive on the results they get instead of the 'image' and propaganda and sensationalism of modern politics.

something about anarchy

i said minarchy. i.e. shrinking the government and expanding/emphasizing the responsibilities and rights of the citizens.

Regardless, I'm not voting for the one I think will win. I am voting for the lesser evil, but, I'm trying to think realistically, too.

yes, voting for the lesser evil, like i said. you are voting for someone so that he will beat the guy you dont want in office, instead of simply voting for your favorite candidate, right? that's what i said the problem was. ppl are voting defensively, trying to beat the guy they dislike the most. they're imagining the worst case scenario and voting to prevent it. the result is that the best case scenario, or even the average, doesn't occur, because the lesser evil is still evil and the parties won't nominate someone who will serve the people any more than we force them to. basically all they have to do is scare us a lot and they guarantee that whoever is second scariest wins, because everyone is so worried about what will happen if the scariest guy wins. and like i said the way to deal with this is eliminate one candidate at a time, then even if your favorite candidate doesnt win, you can still vote for the lesser evil down the road. however people will probably still vote with the same mindset until something is done to change public thinking about it, including the dominance of the media by the two parties. how do we pass laws (and not necessarily about the media coverage) about eliminating prejudice against third or non party, if the government is almost completely partisan? how do we establish a nonpartisan platform for evaluating candidates, that isn't dominated by whoever has the most money or some other form of disproportionate influence? and how will the parties react, seeing as how they've become no longer services of the people, but hierarchies and power structures bent on self-preservation? these questions are actually more important than which president we have next, due to the state to which the process has decayed. if the citizens' good isn't reasserted, it doesn't matter how you vote, and if it is reasserted, even the worst president and party of politicians will bend for it. after all, they're only public-use whores.

[Grand Poobah Marx]

lol

Without a two party system nothing would get done; in a multiparty system coalitions have to form in the legislature to pass anything.  they aren't stable because they have conflicting interests within the coalition and often fall apart.  A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.  Nobody sensible wants a fascist or stalinist party with representation.

[DrunkWino]

Without a two party system nothing would get done;

No, there are PLENTY of democratic and/or republic models that feature multiple parties. They have no problems getting the important stuff done.

in a multiparty system coalitions have to form in the legislature to pass anything. they aren't stable because they have conflicting interests within the coalition and often fall apart.

And that's a good thing. I don't want a particular political party ramming their social agenda down my throat. Political coalitions only have to and should only be able to hold toghether long enough to handle critical matters. Which is all they should be dealing with.

A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.

I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

- Two Party System
- A Good Thing

Pick one.

Do you understand what a fucking pain in the ass it is to watch the Republican Executive to work with the Democrat Legislative?

[anima1111]

A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.

I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.

Actually Poobah is right about that...

[DrunkWino]

A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.

I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.

Actually Poobah is right about that...

Actually, no he's not. In fact, he's dead wrong.

The six years that Bush II and the Republicans held Congress saw an attempt to push a far right wing agenda down Americas throats. Or did you think the middle actually approves of assaults on personal freedom/privacy (lol Patriot Act,) attempted manipulation of the Constitution to fit a social engineering agenda (never allow gay marriage amendment,) let poor and/or black people drown for kicks while blaming them for it (New Orleans,) deregulation of the market place (wall street thanks you for that $700 billion, btw.)

You think that's moderate? You think that's the center?! No, fuck that shit, I AM the fucking middle and DON'T EVER try to tell me those fuckers where anywhere near center. Those fucks spent six years calling men like me anti-American cause I didn't simply bend over and allow them to fuck me in the ass.

[Fake from State Jarm]

two party system only requires moderation to acquire office. if a party gains enough momentum and majority they can depart from moderation for a time. the opposing party can then use this non-moderation as a fear leverage to indulge their own excesses, which then can be exploited by the first party, and so on and so forth, much like a swing gains momentum from one side to the other, or like a succession of continually larger cocks stretching out the vagina of the Public.

[anima1111]

A two party system also requires that each main party much be closer to the center and more moderate, which is a good thing.

I'm sorry dude, but that's flat out wrong. The six years of a Republican President and Republican Congress proved that. One party gains a majority, assumes they have some sort of magical mandate from the country and begin to cater to the far wing of their party.

Actually Poobah is right about that...

Actually, no he's not. In fact, he's dead wrong.

The six years that Bush II and the Republicans held Congress saw an attempt to push a far right wing agenda down Americas throats. Or did you think the middle actually approves of assaults on personal freedom/privacy (lol Patriot Act,) attempted manipulation of the Constitution to fit a social engineering agenda (never allow gay marriage amendment,) let poor and/or black people drown for kicks while blaming them for it (New Orleans,) deregulation of the market place (wall street thanks you for that $700 billion, btw.)

You think that's moderate? You think that's the center?! No, fuck that shit, I AM the fucking middle and DON'T EVER try to tell me those fuckers where anywhere near center. Those fucks spent six years calling men like me anti-American cause I didn't simply bend over and allow them to fuck me in the ass.

Seriously?  Are you fucking serious?  Do you know how much farther from the center a political party would be if there was only one?  You overlook the fact that if the Republican party was the ONLY party, we would be much, MUCH farther to the right.

Please grow up.

Heh.  And you've completely ignored what's been going on the past few years in the market.  Deregulation did NOT cause the wall street mess.  Your liberal spewing media sources neglect to tell you that it has been the DEMOCRATS over that past few years that have put pressure on these companies to give out the risky loans.  The whole predatory lending thing is somewhat true, but mostly a load of BS.

[anima1111]

Oh, and I think that the 93% must be a mistake.  I don't think that any state will ever support a candidate so unanimously.

[DrunkWino]

Seriously?  Are you fucking serious?  Do you know how much farther from the center a political party would be if there was only one?  You overlook the fact that if the Republican party was the ONLY party, we would be much, MUCH farther to the right.

This isn't about moving to ONE party, it's about having more than two.

Heh. And you've completely ignored what's been going on the past few years in the market. Deregulation did NOT cause the wall street mess. Your liberal spewing media sources neglect to tell you that it has been the DEMOCRATS over that past few years that have put pressure on these companies to give out the risky loans. The whole predatory lending thing is somewhat true, but mostly a load of BS.

Eh, that's a load. See, I'm not liberal. You're talking about the Fanny and Freddy loans to low income, high risk potential homeowners, I presume. That'd be fine, should that have been the only problem, but face up to it, it wasn't. Or do you honestly swallow that the richest country in the world had an economy utterly based on two companies? Really? A completely out of control credit market, the one that was fueled by de-regulation and actually encouraged compaines to take on more and more high risk debt was a "load of BS."

Please grow up.

Allow me to retort. You probably need to take yer ass back to econ class and take notes this time and for GOD's sake, do not swallow the damn party lines about how this happened.

[DrunkWino]

Oh, and I think that the 93% must be a mistake.  I don't think that any state will ever support a candidate so unanimously.

It's not 93% of the state, it's 93% of all the polls taken.

[zblewski]

Lawl, I'm a Social Democrat. Which, by the way, has nothing to do with AmeriKKKan politics >_>

[zblewski]

Also, cocks.