Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Damen on June 13, 2009, 03:12:21 pm
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Stalin and Hitler we're both pretty bad, but in your opinion who was worse? The communist leader who would kill and torture his own for no reason whatsoever, or the fascist dictator who persecuted any in the way of the Aryan race?
It's hard to choose. On the one hand, Stalin forced starvation on farmers in the Ukraine by exporting 5 million tons of grain from the area to sell for weapons and thus committed an act of genocide, and Stalin's body count is higher than Hitler's (20-30million); Hitler, however, committed genocide and ushered in World War 2. Both had horrible ways of controlling their country. Stalin controlled using fear and force, killing or imprisoning anyone who would speak ill of him or his ways, and many people who we're completely innocent. Hitler controlled using fear and propaganda, blaming the Jews for everything and thus making them hated, not to mention the concentration camps that both countries had.
I expect Hitler to win the poll because he's focused on more because of World War 2, but personally I believe Stalin was worse.
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Stalin ushered in the repression of my people.
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I was typing up a huge resposne when I realized its all just opinion. I find myself favoring Germany more than Russia but both did horrible things in WW2.
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Stalin ushered in the repression of my people.
So you're choosing Stalin to be more evil because he affected you more than Hitler did. That's pretty damn selfish of you.
On a different note, I chose Hitler because he killed on a prejudice level, targeting Jews specifically for being Jews, as well as Homosexuals, communists, etc for same reason in different context.
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Really a good poll in some ways, but I just don't think there's a definite answer. They we're both so horrible, the only method of comparing either would be to compare one to the other. In the history of all mankind, no other two man have managed to cause such massive destruction in one life. Of course there have been and will always be other horrible dictators, but the problem with these two is they succeeded in an era where their situation allowed them to cause more death than even possible in centuries past.
Personally I voted Hitler, but just because of his reasons. I was tempted to say Stalin just because he killed more of his own people, but Hitler united a nation in the name of hate and racism. I don't think Stalin's rise to power was all that great either, but since both ended up being pretty bad, I decided to go based off how they got that way and say Hitler.
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Really a good poll in some ways, but I just don't think there's a definite answer. They we're both so horrible, the only method of comparing either would be to compare one to the other. In the history of all mankind, no other two man have managed to cause such massive destruction in one life. Of course there have been and will always be other horrible dictators, but the problem with these two is they succeeded in an era where their situation allowed them to cause more death than even possible in centuries past.
Personally I voted Hitler, but just because of his reasons. I was tempted to say Stalin just because he killed more of his own people, but Hitler united a nation in the name of hate and racism. I don't think Stalin's rise to power was all that great either, but since both ended up being pretty bad, I decided to go based off how they got that way and say Hitler.
Good point.
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Hitler united a country based on Nazism and remaking Germany, in which the fine print became reality VERY fast.
Stalin kept all his chain of command, government and people in fear. Killing off his entire military command for the hell of it/they were getting too good. All the genocide is hard to prove but if it happened, more reason to hate him.
Hitler: Charismatic, inspiration leader (To them, not me.) until post-blitzkrieg when he went totally insane and egotistical. And then the S.S got its wings and everything we know welp, thats history.
Stalin: Semi-charismatic dictator with an iron fist over the soviet union and all its command. Genocide, the "pariotic" war, removing food from entire villages to aid the eastern front, giving the order to execute soldiers that ran, etc.
Stalin's a move "evil" person. Hitler had a more "evil" regeme. There isn't any other way around that.
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I picked Stalin. Hitler's problem was that no one listened to him. He was just sad and angry at the world. It's all Stalin's fault!
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I picked Stalin. Hitler's problem was that no one listened to him. He was just sad and angry at the world. It's all Stalin's fault!
No one listened to him? That's absurd. He took over Germany by building up his numbers of supporters using speeches and propaganda. He was an AMAZING orator.
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I picked Stalin. Hitler's problem was that no one listened to him. He was just sad and angry at the world. It's all Stalin's fault!
Er, what? Its the other way around. Hitler's speeches (Often written by Karl Dönitz...) inspired millions of sad and confused Germans. HE didn't listen to his Generals. Thats basically why Barbarossa and Typhoon failed.
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I say Stalin. You can understand Germany's anger in WW2 because of the hate they got in WW1. WW1 was a war where everyone screwed up. Germany was not a bad guy in WW1, if anything the bad guys we're Serbia, Russia, and the U.S. Germany had no reason to target Jews, but anger towards the rest of the world can be understood.
Totalitarian Communism started by Russia has led to way more deaths and unneccessary wars than Facism has.
Stalin regime: Even if you are a loyal member to the USSR you still have a chance that you will be killed
Hitler's Regime: If you play along chances are you won't die.
So if you are a citizen that falls under the category of acceptable, you'd be better of in Germany.
If you are considered unacceptable, you are screwed in either nation.
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During his time as dictator they listened, yes, but before then, he was just mis understood and un heard
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I give Uncle Joe the edge cause Hitler was batshit insane with rage.
I'm sure that makes no sense in and of itself, so here's the slightly longer version:
Everything Hitler did post WWI was fueled by his own rage at having lost that war. His mind snapped and with his gift at speaking was able to whip up enough support in Germany, who's people we're in bad shape already due to the Treaty of Versailles, that people got behind him. Then, predictably, after gaining power his rage led to all of his atrocities. Through it all, even though his rage blinded him, he honestly did want what was best for Germany.
Uncle Joe on the other hand, that motherfucker was just ruthless. That dude just wanted his way, and killed anyone that disagreed or told him what he wanted was against the laws of physics. He wasn't fueled by rage, only his paranoia. I honestly don't think he gave a shit about Russia, the USSR, communism, or any living thing on the planet. He just wanted power.
Hitler always struck me as a deranged rabid animal while Stalin gives me the impression of evil with a face.
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During his time as dictator they listened, yes, but before then, he was just mis understood and un heard
He rose to power by joining the Workers Party and he rose BECAUSE he was a great speaker. They didn't listen because he was dictator, he was dictator because they listened.
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It's an opinion. Both are evil in their own ways. Both suck.
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Stalin was worse. Hitler at least knew how to run a country, and wage a war.
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i chose hitler.
at least stalin helped stop hitler.
but most points have already been said and are good. c-zom, there's a slight sense of admiration/amazement towards hitler in your post. (NOT CALLING YOU A NAZI OR ANYTHING)
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i chose hitler.
at least stalin helped stop hitler.
but most points have already been said and are good. c-zom, there's a slight sense of admiration/amazement towards hitler in your post. (NOT CALLING YOU A NAZI OR ANYTHING)
Part of why Stalin helped stop Hitler was because Hitler was a threat to Stalin.
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i chose hitler.
at least stalin helped stop hitler.
but most points have already been said and are good. c-zom, there's a slight sense of admiration/amazement towards hitler in your post. (NOT CALLING YOU A NAZI OR ANYTHING)
I keep a neutral standpoint on both sides (Stalin vs Hitler.). Germany achieved some badass things during the early stages of the war. Hitler degraded, and fucked up pages worth of scenarios. No admiration, just aknowledgement that the Wehrmacht knew what it was doing.
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That said, the red army during the end of the war more or less annihilated the remnants of barbarossa and even though they payed for every foot, their industry and will was amazing. Russia's industiral output was second only to the USA, which really only used it to build fucking Shermans.
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Hm id say Stalin he killed more than Hitler with those famines and purges.
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lucas. his earlier movies were good because he had experienced and talented people working with him, but then he let it go to his head. which proves he never really believed in his art, as much as he did in himself and getting his own cock sucked, especially by the younger audience which he targeted with his later films and the CN series. purely for financial reasons I'm sure. it's not a crime to make money but it should be a crime to do so with a brand name you know people are assuming is going to deliver, and by that I dont mean up their asses. the plot was half-assed, the lines were terrible. as a result of the terrible lines, as well as some shitty actors, the acting was terrible. and not just rough around the edges, but right when it needed to be good, it was a shit sandwich. you know what, he didn't just target children for the money; it was because he himself is a child. he sits in his playroom with his toys and his videogames imagining a bunch of cool gadgets and weird aliens and demands cool special effects and action sequences. and then he gets that dazed look on his face and everyone realizes his diaper needs changing again. and if they dont drag him off to the changing room they'll find him digging around in it for more lines.
and also, there WERE a lot of racial stereotypes in those recent films. not very imaginative at all.
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hitler cuz he managed to take over europe and parts of russsia while stalin was barely able to hold his land.
p.s. hitler also started nuclear reaserch before russia so booom
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Gravedigging huh? Oh well.
I dont appreciate both men and their tactics, but Hitler is worse, for turning Germany into a country full of Nazi racists and for being a bigger idiot than Stalin, even though their both dumbasses.
Either way, both of them are having a sweet time burning in hell atm.
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I voted for Bush
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hey hell is fun except on fridays and thats why im never their on fridays and aparently people dont like hitler or stalin in hell eithier
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The only correct answer IS stalin here.
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no; chancellor palpatine.