Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Thunder Strike on October 25, 2011, 06:45:36 am
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Nerd: Knows what Linux is.
Agree or disagree?
The reason for this question is a friend of mine denies being a nerd yet they use Linux. I keep telling them that this in itself makes them a nerd regardless of any other factors.
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nerd isn't the only option anymore, these days that could just make them a software hipster.
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I feel like nerd nowadays falls more along the lines of social awkwardness and asperger syndrome.
So, nerd might describe him, but you have to do more than use Linux to be a nerd.
There's a lot of people I consider nerds who know jackshit about anything.
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I'd say geek is more fitting.
and yah nerd kind of implies social awkardness while a geek is just really invested in a particular thing. Like linux.
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This might help.
This is Linus Torvalds. Creator of the Linux kernel (basically the heart and brains of Linux) and owner of the Linux copyright.
(http://www.pollsb.com/photos/o/6691-lt_a_href_http_en_wikipedia_org_wiki_linus_torvalds_gt_linus_torvalds_lt_a_gt.jpg)
This guy has 15 million dollars of networth and makes about 1 million dollars a year. He does not make his money straight from Linux, he actually works for a living.
In case you are dense, Linux gets it's name from Linus.
This guy, I would call a geek. Or Finnish.
Most people in-the-know are aware of Linus.
Allow me to introduce you to the man who claims to be literally 50% of the reason Linux exists.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3207/3063011729_fbb5ca242c.jpg)
Richard Stallman
Rich is the head of GNU. If you don't know what GNU is, it is a group of people who insist on calling Linux, GNU/Linux (pronounced Ga-nu slash Lin-ux...yes you say slash outloud).
You may ask, why do they insist on calling it GNU/Linux? Because back when Linux didn't fucking matter, it was just GNU software and the Linux kernel that people used.
If you really care on why this was the case refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU/Linux_naming_controversy)
Linus prefers calling it "Linux" because that's what everyone else calls it. Plus, he probably feels like an asshole when he has to say "slash" outloud to appease Stallman.
Did I mention that Stallman refuses interviews if the interviewee doesn't refer to it as GNU/Linux?
Did I also mention that he refuses to use web browsers because the HTTP protocol isn't free enough for him?
http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/ (http://lwn.net/Articles/262570/)
For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I
also have not net connection much of the time.) To look at page I
send mail to a demon which runs wget and mails the page back to me.
It is very efficient use of my time, but it is slow in real time.
Note that English is his first language and it doesn't matter how I read that last sentence, it will forever scar my patience.
On first glance, you can already see something different between the two guys anyway. One of them looks white as FUCK. The other one is basically a bum. If he just looked like a bum, I would have said that, but no, the man is a fucking bum who lives in MIT.
(http://news.cnet.com/i/bto/20080930/stallman.jpg)
The man is in every sense of the word "The most disgusting thing ever"
Here is a video of Richard Stallman walking around bare feet probably smelling like moldy something. In the video, he picks something off his bare feet, puts it in his mouth, and chews on it for the rest of the video in front of people.
Richard Stallman Eats Something From His Foot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ#)
Here's another video where he sings his own Free Software Song.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw#)
Am I getting my point clear yet?
He also acts like a total sperglord by attacking OpenBSD on the basis that it is less "free as in freedom" (not "free as in beer") than "GNU/Linux".
http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/That_Which_We_Call_Free (http://kerneltrap.org/OpenBSD/That_Which_We_Call_Free)
Nearly every time Richard Stallman speaks, it is hypocritical, wrong, paranoid, or just awful.
Recently he was in the news for saying that he was glad that Steve Jobs was gone.
http://www.macgasm.net/2011/10/07/richard-stallman-steve-jobs-glad/ (http://www.macgasm.net/2011/10/07/richard-stallman-steve-jobs-glad/)
He also calls open source software a plague and a twisted version of his vision.
So, yeah, this is definitely a nerd.
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Allow me to show you my favorite Richard Stallman quotes.
"prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia” [...] All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness." ~ Richard Stallman
"If you have a portable surveillance and tracking device, please turn it off. They have already tracked you in here, they already know you are listening to me; so, there is no need for you to keep it on. And by the way, these portable tracking devices emit signals for tracking purposes even when they are apparently switched off; the only way to stop them is to take out all the batteries." ~ Richard Stallman
"I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female apes sollicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?" ~ Richard Stallman
"It doesn't take special talents to reproduce--even plants can do it. On the other hand, contributing to a program like Emacs takes real skill. That is really something to be proud of. It helps more people, too." ~ Richard Stallman, in response to the news that a colleague would not have as much time to devote to Emacs since the birth of his daughter.
"When the US adopted a requirement for US citizens to prove their citizenship in order to get a job, I vowed I would never do so. I will never again be an employee in the US." ~ Richard Stallman
"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing." ~ Richard Stallman
"Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is a bit like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet." ~ Richard Stallman on FSF receiving the Linus Torvalds award.
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I don't get it - are you trying to vilify Richard Stallman? He may seem a little off-centre, but his reasoning is correct in all cases.
What the hell is wrong with fucking a dolphin, especially in an altruistic act of trying to give the dolphin a little joy? You know, it wasn't that long ago that people though it was despicable to have sex with other races - there was even a Star Trek TOS episode that was banned in the southern US because Kirk kissed Uhura. Not long ago indeed. And BTW some dolphins are hot (you know the ones that look like they are white chicks caught in a dolphin body).
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I.. just.. you need to put warnings on your posts. Ew.
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Can you imagine what an incredible creation a half-human, half-dolphin would be? Sailors dreamed about mermaids in the most romantic manner for centuries.
Morality is just a set of decisions pre-programmed into you, and an open mind should at the very least question them and their basis.
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I.. just.. you need to put warnings on your posts. Ew.
(http://rialliance.net/chaosfever.gif)
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Is it so wrong to yearn for a flipper-job?
Mia might not get it, but let me put it in terms any red-blooded male can understand: Female dolphins have smooth skin, gentle curves, love to skinny dip, and have an extra hole. Think of the possibilities.
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I should have known a thread like this would turn to dolphin sex eventually.
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Yeah normally you can tell what a thread is about. This one deceived me! D:
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so im thinking about switching to gnu slash linux, any advice?
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Since this topic is now about dolphin sex: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/malcolm-brenner-dolphin_n_974764.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/23/malcolm-brenner-dolphin_n_974764.html)
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i like fedora, kenny uses Ubuntu, ive been told Slackware is good stuff. so long as your willing to have small issues here and there it doesn't really matter. its all about the GUI for your average user. and if you stick to the bigger distros you can get help faster then calling the dell hotline most times. I totally fucked up my updater service once, i think i added a different distros repo's and it updated. shit was totally fucked. i hoped onto irc, explained my problem to #fedorahelp and someone walked me through, step by step, command by command, to get me back working. the whole thing took 10 mins.
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Quit using linux you hipsters.
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Linux should be reserved for appliances like a NAS. Seriously, it is like taking a step back into the days of DOS. I love the freeware aspect, but damn I don't miss command lines...
Ok, now back to dolphins - I figure there could only be one practical way to mount her in the water. You would need to wear rubber shoes, and use the front of her rear flipper for a foothold, counter-poised by hugging her under her front fins. This should keep you from slipping off her embarassingly at the first thrust, followed by the inevitable human and dolphin giggles as you smile into each others eyes to say "it's ok, we're in this together, let's try again".
Of course, it would be way easier to beach her for the deed, which is well possible since she can breath, but I think this could only be done once the relationship is well established - she would have to trust you a great deal to 'go beach'.
I haven't figured out how to position for a blowholejob, any suggestions?
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I got assburgers along time ago.
(http://images1.cliqueclack.com/tv/files/2011/10/south-park-ass-burgers-150x150.jpg)
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Linux should be reserved for appliances like a NAS. Seriously, it is like taking a step back into the days of DOS.
(http://kennythefox.com/GIF/jacob.gif)
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you go too far, GS. as with children and the mentally disabled, there is an inherent lack of consent with animals. They cannot communicate anywhere close to the degree we can, and the degree to which they can suggests the most intelligent among them are the equivalent of human children. add to this that anyone engaging in bestiality is doing it with captive animals, and it's easy to see the power is not equal in such a relationship. permanent intellectual superiority + sex = rape. you might argue that this means a lot of supposedly consensual adult sex between humans is rape, to which I'd agree, but human law is too blunt and primitive an instrument to relegate human society into categories according to intellect. we make laws separating people from animals because the differences are obvious, but in our wonderfully advanced modern age, we've fostered such a break with reality that many people think all differences are superficial. I remember a girl seriously telling me she thought animals were smarter than humans. god, what a missed opportunity, I was way too polite to her.
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
a 1000 ways to Die raccoon
The Funniest 1000 Ways to Die #3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRXDVFPaRSo#ws)
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
lol no I meant, a missed opportunity to troll her.
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you go too far, GS. as with children and the mentally disabled, there is an inherent lack of consent with animals. They cannot communicate anywhere close to the degree we can, and the degree to which they can suggests the most intelligent among them are the equivalent of human children. add to this that anyone engaging in bestiality is doing it with captive animals, and it's easy to see the power is not equal in such a relationship. permanent intellectual superiority + sex = recruit. you might argue that this means a lot of supposedly consensual adult sex between humans is recruit, to which I'd agree, but human law is too blunt and primitive an instrument to relegate human society into categories according to intellect. we make laws separating people from animals because the differences are obvious, but in our wonderfully advanced modern age, we've fostered such a break with reality that many people think all differences are superficial. I remember a girl seriously telling me she thought animals were smarter than humans. god, what a missed opportunity, I was way too polite to her.
Ok Llamavore - you are correct that consent is at the heart of it, but I think it is amateurish to assign a human mental age to an animal all across the board. You assume they can't give legal consent because of their mental age, but they might be far ahead of us in less measurable aspects like imagination, responsibility...etc. What I mean is that a dolphin that can fend for itself in the ocean, against predators, work in a team with other dolphins to get to food, have kids...etc, demonstrates a maturity and level of adult responsibility that just can't be measured by a PHD, a hoop, and a bell. You might only be able to have sex with an animal in captivity, but I am pretty persuasive, charming, and romantic - I think the act would be more enjoyable anyway if I didn't have to wrestle a flippping 400lb dolphin while trying to pin it with my Johnson. Humans are not the only creatures on this earth capable of giving consent, and I'm sure I can find a few of the more open-minded species who would consent to giving me a blowholejob (or equivalent).
BTW the science says the girl was right - I haven't yet found an animal that will have sex with me, but never had much trouble with women. Maybe that's because most animals don't speak english and those that do are apparently frigid.
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
lol no I meant, a missed opportunity to troll her.
Oh, so it'd be more like the bear or that teeth thing.
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Ok Llamavore - you are correct that consent is at the heart of it, but I think it is amateurish to assign a human mental age to an animal all across the board. You assume they can't give legal consent because of their mental age, but they might be far ahead of us in less measurable aspects like imagination, responsibility...etc. What I mean is that a dolphin that can fend for itself in the ocean, against predators, work in a team with other dolphins to get to food, have kids...etc, demonstrates a maturity and level of adult responsibility that just can't be measured by a PHD, a hoop, and a bell.
Of course any successful species of animal has skills a human doesn't; every species has something another doesn't. If these skills were as valued by natural selection as the skills and abilities we possess, they'd have already advanced to our level of success. The results speak for themselves. As we've evolved and dominated the planet we've created a nearly entirely different natural order than, as far as we can tell, has ever existed. It is not inherently perverse that we change the world, all creatures have done this to the extent they were capable, unless you believe in some mystical animal spirituality that tries to 'keep things in balance' and therefore stops evolving, which unfortunately many people believe on a conscious or subconscious level. But in any case, the world we live in is far more complex than any other species' natural environment and animals only survive on the fringes; they are intellectually successful only when they find a niche of simplicity which mankind hasn't penetrated. If it were possible to inject into the mind of a dolphin the sort of fucked up shit that often happens in a single human life, and thereby force them to confront the complex world that creates those problems, that dolphin would exhibit the same signs of mental instability or intellectual incapacity you'd expect from a traumatized individual. More so, really, since they've had far less exercise dealing with it and exist in a society of dolphins that wouldn't be sharing their experience. Likely their brains would just shut down to a huge degree and they'd swim in right hand circles until they fell twitching to the ocean floor. The point is that their apparent intellectual success, their ability to make good decisions and mentally adapt, is real; but it exists because their intellects develop in a secluded section of reality where human society doesn't apply (fish tanks and the ocean). You might similarly admire the elegant simplicity of a primitive tribal human society, but once they come in contact with the larger world, with greater technical understanding and tools, greater social mobility, greater power to change tradition, greater personal freedom, greater luxury and life expectancy, etc, they are assimilated and the bulk of their ideas perish (and hippies who pretend they are espousing primitive ideals rarely understand them, so what they do to them is probably just as insulting as anything else).
tldr; animals with some intelligence, have stable intellects only for as long as they can remain blissfully ignorant of the complexity of the world beyond their territory.
implied by your suggestions about animal intellect is that humans don't act on the same motivations that motivates an animal to "fend for itself in the ocean, against predators, work in a team with other (animals) to get to food, have kids," but all human animals act on the same motivations, just in a different context. we don't live in an ocean, but in a jungle of cultural and social superstructures and competing ideologies, which changes much more rapidly and in exponentially more ways than a water ocean. And there's no reason to assume that, given as much power as quickly as we have acquired it, animals wouldn't make the same mistakes the average human makes. People who see animals as somehow more morally benevolent than humans are suffering from the break with reality I mentioned earlier and are projecting. For instance they think their dog is a transcendent interspecies peacemaker because it does not perceive itself as non-human, but the same dog probably thinks all creatures, dog and human, outside of its 'pack' are sub-human at best (racism originates in pack behavior).
You might only be able to have sex with an animal in captivity, but I am pretty persuasive, charming, and romantic - I think the act would be more enjoyable anyway if I didn't have to wrestle a flippping 400lb dolphin while trying to pin it with my Johnson. Humans are not the only creatures on this earth capable of giving consent, and I'm sure I can find a few of the more open-minded species who would consent to giving me a blowholejob (or equivalent).
Consent is not a binary value but a gradient of 'how much do I understand the action and the consequences and accept them.' Just as many women would not consent to sex if they knew what the guy was really thinking, or if they knew they'd develop feelings the guy didn't share, or if they knew they'd be pregnant and single, animals are capable of making ignorant decisions and if they ever had enough understanding to connect the dots, would also have enough intellect to feel regret. It's permissible for us to fuck women of lower intelligence because we start with the assumption that women are equal to men, and if they can't evolve the intelligence in their lifetimes to understand a man, they can't be considered equally human. Laws based on that sentiment wouldn't go over well, so society continues to subject vagina-havers to this gradient of consent in hopes that they will climb it. If you think my tone is sexist, many men wouldn't consent to committed relationships for the exact same reasons I stated above and are unwittingly trapped by superior female emotional intellect. In both cases, there are greater rewards for sex with someone of equal intellect; even when it's legal, predatory sex is dumb. And that is what your argument is, the rationalization of your intellect preying on lesser intellects, by subjecting them to a behavior they do not understand, because it involves intimacy with a creature they cannot possibly understand. Do I think you actually do this; no. But that guy kenny posted about probably does.
BTW the science says the girl was right - I haven't yet found an animal that will have sex with me, but never had much trouble with women. Maybe that's because most animals don't speak english and those that do are apparently frigid.
it's great that this discussion occurs in a thread titled 'definition of a nerd.' Maybe you're right, maybe for some people who represent an evolutionary step backwards, sex with animals is truly consensual, and sex with humans is unfair to them. You should take it as a compliment if I think in your case it's just base calloused internet perversion.
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
lol no I meant, a missed opportunity to troll her.
Oh, so it'd be more like the bear or that teeth thing.
yes, if I'd known that she was the evolutionary equivalent of a stupid hippy with a camera and me the evolutionary equivalent of a grizzly bear, I would have seized the moment and lorded my superiority over her by metaphorically trapping her in her ideological tree.
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So if you had taken that opportunity, would it have been more like lion or the hyena? Or the raccoon?
lol no I meant, a missed opportunity to troll her.
Oh, so it'd be more like the bear or that teeth thing.
yes, if I'd known that she was the evolutionary equivalent of a stupid hippy with a camera and me the evolutionary equivalent of a grizzly bear, I would have seized the moment and lorded my superiority over her by metaphorically trapping her in her ideological tree.
And just like that, another mystery of the modern world has been solved thanks to science.
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llamavore, either you are a genius poster or that was a waste of Adderall
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A nerd nowadays is usually someone who wastes their physical and mental capabilities on needless pass times whilst also being legitimately defective in one or more mental capacities, aspeger's for coders and bipolar for creative/graphics artists usually. Its not set in stone, but a nerd-nerd today usually requires a dungeon tan, no sex life, living in a basement, and so forth.
A regular person today would be called a nerd or geek 15-20 years ago, obsessed with technology and always having gadgets. Whereas the "creep" from that era would qualify as our regular nerd today.
And yes this rant does sound like something you'd hear out of one of Futurama's "old New York" skits. But, according to the OP, just Linux doesn't make you a nerd. At all.
That said, I love Linux Mint.
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I can't disagree with our success as a species, so far, but I am not competing with dolpins for mastery of the planet - I just want to get laid. That said, let me defend the dolphins, and screw around with your argument, lest I not be called a troll:
If it were possible to inject into the mind of a dolphin the sort of fucked up shit that often happens in a single human life, and thereby force them to confront the complex world that creates those problems, that dolphin would exhibit the same signs of mental instability or intellectual incapacity you'd expect from a traumatized individual.
Ever had a close relative get eaten by a shark or canned and sold as tuna? Don't answer the latter if you are chinese. Seriously though wouldn't that freak you out? You need more empathy for the dolphins own challenges...
The point is that their apparent intellectual success, their ability to make good decisions and mentally adapt, is real; but it exists because their intellects develop in a secluded section of reality where human society doesn't apply (sea kitten tanks and the ocean).
I don't care about their intellect, just their ability to consent to me inserting my penis into them. So far this is the only thing, for example, that keeps me from boning mongoloids - their intellect is not at issue, but their ability to consent is in doubt. And they are so hot, in a uniform kind of way.
And there's no reason to assume that, given as much power as quickly as we have acquired it, animals wouldn't make the same mistakes the average human makes.
Way too intellectual - of course they would fuck up, and certainly more than us. But the real question is how they are in bed - I bet dolphins are generous lovers, and want to find out for myself. But by the way, they are among the top species in the world's oceans, which cover 70% of the earth's surface...
Consent is not a binary value but a gradient of 'how much do I understand the action and the consequences and accept them.' Just as many women would not consent to sex if they knew what the guy was really thinking, or if they knew they'd develop feelings the guy didn't share, or if they knew they'd be pregnant and single, animals are capable of making ignorant decisions and if they ever had enough understanding to connect the dots, would also have enough intellect to feel regret. It's permissible for us to fuck women of lower intelligence because we start with the assumption that women are equal to men, and if they can't evolve the intelligence in their lifetimes to understand a man, they can't be considered equally human. Laws based on that sentiment wouldn't go over well, so society continues to subject vagina-havers to this gradient of consent in hopes that they will climb it. If you think my tone is sexist, many men wouldn't consent to committed relationships for the exact same reasons I stated above and are unwittingly trapped by superior female emotional intellect. In both cases, there are greater rewards for sex with someone of equal intellect; even when it's legal, predatory sex is dumb. And that is what your argument is, the rationalization of your intellect preying on lesser intellects, by subjecting them to a behavior they do not understand, because it involves intimacy with a creature they cannot possibly understand. Do I think you actually do this; no. But that guy kenny posted about probably does.
Ok I'll bite, troll. Women often play stupid because they think that's what the man wants - any hunter knows that it is harder to trap than to shoot... Women have a far superior intellect to men - they are more rational, and emotionally mature, and I can prove it. What reasons would women and men willingly die for? This is a baseline - millions of men die for rediculous things like nationalism, break-ups, impressing peers...etc, but women are not persuaded to take risks for these things. In fact, the things women will die for is only a subset of the things men would die for - and they are inevitably emotional items, justified by twisted logic. Fear women - they bring us into the world, and they bury us.
it's great that this discussion occurs in a thread titled 'definition of a nerd.' Maybe you're right, maybe for some people who represent an evolutionary step backwards, sex with animals is truly consensual, and sex with humans is unfair to them. You should take it as a compliment if I think in your case it's just base calloused internet perversion.
Well, name calling with get you everywhere as Leo can attest. You think it is a step backward, the way the Nazis thought it was a step backward for the Aryan race to mix with blacks - their argument started with the idea that the strongest must always prevail in all matters, and this explained Aryan supremacy. When confronted with a mullato child, they were asked why, if the strongest must prevail, why were some Aryan genes suppressed - ie why wasn't the kid white? Their answer was that it was a case of genetic pollution.
This is not internet perversion, but an intellectual adventure into the possibilities of not just finding a new source of pussy, but also potentially improving the species. Your arguments are those of a caveman - go buy some insurance.