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Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on August 21, 2008, 04:40:27 pm
It just crossed my mind yesterday and I am wondering, why do you swear?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: C-zom on August 21, 2008, 04:43:16 pm
Because.. why not? I see no problem with swearing, its effective at delivering your point and most of all.. fun.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 21, 2008, 04:45:56 pm
Obviously if something is designated into a certain category then it has something special with it. Swears are where they are because they are designated as inappropriate or bad language. And has anyone noticed like every swear has a meaning that isn't swearing? There is a sword called the bastard sword. Female dogs are bitches. Donkeys are referred to as asses sometimes. How did these words get here anyway?
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Post by: KingRanter on August 21, 2008, 04:55:11 pm
i swear due to adrenalin. idunno how that works myself.
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Post by: enragedlobster on August 21, 2008, 10:18:56 pm
I just like the words. They're also very good stress relievers for me.
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Post by: Electric Mango on August 21, 2008, 10:26:19 pm
Fuck shit ass cunt bitch.  Good enough for ya?
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Post by: Crunka on August 22, 2008, 03:00:22 am
because it gets the point across effectively.



i mean, if i were really mad and said "FRUIT SALAD!" everyone would be like "yummy yummy."
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 22, 2008, 03:08:14 am
because i like to effectively communicate my message to other people.

if fuck is the right word to use in a situation then i say fuck.  just like with punctuation.  if i need a ! then i fucking use a ! and if i don't then i'll use something else.

it's those stick-up-the-ass religious morons who think saying fuck is a sin who are the problem.  the fairytale known as God doesn't give a fuck if i say fuck.

i'll say shit and goddamn too because they are words within our language and there are times when something needs to be damned all to hell.  even if hell is some imaginery place made up by some asshole.

jesus is the son of god?  jesus should suck my cock, he ain't the son of a goddamned thing.
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Post by: Dontasemebro on August 22, 2008, 03:50:10 am
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Post by: Preventer Wind on August 22, 2008, 08:27:58 am
Stupid people make me so mad. I swear so I dont slap them.
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Post by: pacothenacho on August 22, 2008, 12:45:41 pm
Swearing is just a part of language, there are plenty of vulgar expressions that don't really mean a thing without a shit or fuck thrown in there.

and cmon who doesn't like saying wtf u piece of mothaf%$^ing shit sometimes?
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Post by: —- on August 22, 2008, 01:03:39 pm
Well there's a few curses that I never use, or just words in general. But stuff like "Shit" I use often when I screw up in a game or drop something.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on August 22, 2008, 04:23:39 pm
Quote from: nIveK oGre
because i like to effectively communicate my message to other people.

if fuck is the right word to use in a situation then i say fuck.  just like with punctuation.  if i need a ! then i fucking use a ! and if i don't then i'll use something else.

it's those stick-up-the-ass religious morons who think saying fuck is a sin who are the problem.  the fairytale known as God doesn't give a fuck if i say fuck.

i'll say shit and goddamn too because they are words within our language and there are times when something needs to be damned all to hell.  even if hell is some imaginery place made up by some asshole.

jesus is the son of god?  jesus should suck my cock, he ain't the son of a goddamned thing.
you are one misguided individual but alas, religious debates never go well here so I will not start one
just know that you will be the one suffering for eternity if you do not change your ways  
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 22, 2008, 08:07:02 pm
Quote from: pielord47
you are one misguided individual but alas, religious debates never go well here so I will not start one
just know that you will be the one suffering for eternity if you do not change your ways  

and you will be dead, rotting in the ground for all eternity.  bugs will eat you and your family will miss you but they will never see you again.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 22, 2008, 09:09:20 pm
Quote from: nIveK oGre
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you are one misguided individual but alas, religious debates never go well here so I will not start one
just know that you will be the one suffering for eternity if you do not change your ways  

and you will be dead, rotting in the ground for all eternity.  bugs will eat you and your family will miss you but they will never see you again.
sure, sure
when judgment day comes you'll know what you've done or what you've left undone
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Post by: Preventer Wind on August 22, 2008, 09:17:50 pm
I know what Ive done. Ive stoped posting in this
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 22, 2008, 09:22:56 pm
Quote from: pielord47
sure, sure
when judgment day comes you'll know what you've done or what you've left undone

judgment day already came

the ruling was that you're a mook.  you can't appeal this judgment either.
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Post by: Shadow on August 22, 2008, 09:26:06 pm
I generally don't.
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Post by: Amoston on August 24, 2008, 09:25:02 pm
Because the right was afforded to me as a citizen of America to say whichever words I please, without fear of retribution unless malicious in nature.
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Post by: C-zom on August 24, 2008, 10:02:04 pm
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you are one misguided individual but alas, religious debates never go well here so I will not start one
just know that you will be the one suffering for eternity if you do not change your ways  

and you will be dead, rotting in the ground for all eternity.  bugs will eat you and your family will miss you but they will never see you again.
sure, sure
when judgment day comes you'll know what you've done or what you've left undone

lol I knew this would turn into Pielord spouting religious shit. Fuck shit cunt dick ass... look no lightning! :v
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Post by: dester55 on August 24, 2008, 10:30:38 pm
i don't think there are any real "swear words". the words we use like shit and fuck are just words that are tabooed in society, give it time and they probly wont be tabooed anymore.

didn't the word "bloody" use to be considered a swear word or something like that in great Britain back a 100 years or something? and i do believe its not today.
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Post by: IronSoldier820 on August 24, 2008, 11:10:33 pm
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didn't the word "bloody" use to be considered a swear word or something like that in great Britain back a 100 years or something? and i do believe its not today.
I'm pretty sure Bloody is still considered a cuss word today, because I definitely remember watching a PG-13 friendly version scene from Sean of the Dead that had some weird censorship. It was bonus material on the DVD for some reason, and in the scene they replaced all instances of the word "prick" with "prink".

I'd ask CSN's Official British Member Niciplatt, but she's on a leave of absence until the 30th and I think I'll forget to ask by the time she comes back.
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Post by: enragedlobster on August 25, 2008, 12:05:06 am
"Prick," "bloody," and "bollocks" are all high-tier curses in the UK and Ireland.

Also, fuck your religious oxshit, we've all chosen our path so stop trying to shove yours down our throat kthx
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Post by: MotherAfrica on August 25, 2008, 12:56:02 am
Because its an attenion grabber, If I go into Mcdonalds and say, "Fuck a fry" with my eyes crossed then I get my attention.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 25, 2008, 04:43:21 pm
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you are one misguided individual but alas, religious debates never go well here so I will not start one
just know that you will be the one suffering for eternity if you do not change your ways  

and you will be dead, rotting in the ground for all eternity.  bugs will eat you and your family will miss you but they will never see you again.
sure, sure
when judgment day comes you'll know what you've done or what you've left undone

lol I knew this would turn into Pielord spouting religious shit. Fuck shit cunt dick ass... look no lightning! :v
I was simply defending my belief
He assaulted it
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Post by: zblewski on August 25, 2008, 06:18:07 pm
They're just words.

Live with it.
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Post by: Mr_Cynic on August 25, 2008, 07:32:17 pm
Quote from: nIveK oGre
because i like to effectively communicate my message to other people.

if fuck is the right word to use in a situation then i say fuck.  just like with punctuation.  if i need a ! then i fucking use a ! and if i don't then i'll use something else.

it's those stick-up-the-ass religious morons who think saying fuck is a sin who are the problem.  the fairytale known as God doesn't give a fuck if i say fuck.

i'll say shit and goddamn too because they are words within our language and there are times when something needs to be damned all to hell.  even if hell is some imaginery place made up by some asshole.

jesus is the son of god?  jesus should suck my cock, he ain't the son of a goddamned thing.
BLASPHEMER!  FIGHT ME!  FIGHT ME BLASPHEMER!
lol joke from my school
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Post by: pielord47 on August 25, 2008, 08:05:57 pm
Quote from: zblewski
They're just words.

Live with it.
I realize they are words but they are words that have been designated as bad and I was just wondering why any of you bothered using them. You don't have to all get on my case because I choose not to use them. I have no problem with people that only swear every so often. It's the people who constantly use them that annoy.
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Post by: KingRanter on August 25, 2008, 10:06:33 pm
Quote from: Electric Mango
Fuck shit ass cunt bitch.  Good enough for ya?
bleep bitches
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 25, 2008, 10:10:06 pm
Quote from: pielord47
I realize they are words but they are words that have been designated as bad

who designated them as bad?  i didn't.

 

actually you get the double  
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 26, 2008, 01:39:33 am
time for a bedtime lesson from uncle llamavore.

originally 'curses' were actual curses, like actual blessings. they were potent because people typically believed that what they spoke would happen and thus used them carefully and sparingly; not without faith or 'in vain'

so because these 'holy' or 'profane' words were used so sparingly, they became especially meaningful because they were set aside. and eventually this kind of word retained its potency simply because it was set aside, regardless of the original meaning. the words became expressions and exclamations by force of habit and the constantly evolving nature of all language. it was no longer necessary that they be literally relevant for them to be useful as referring to a frame of mind or a special emotional state.

this is how curse or swear words are used today... not as actual curses or oaths, etc., but simply as tools for emphasis, references to extreme feeling, and often they're associated -metaphorically- such as if something 'really sucks' then it humiliates itself and renders itself subservient (yes i know that's not the only way to think of oral, but for the sake of the emotional imagery, there you go) the same goes with 'bitch' i.e. female dog, another symbolic and artistic way of representing a supposed quality not unlike that of an 'creature of inferior gender and species.'  and yes you guessed it, a lot of these expressions have sexism in them but that is the function of the culture, not of *this kind of figure of speech*

on an aside... i believe in god... it's not necessarily a 'fairy tale' and i think some religions are partially correct. so spare me your ignorant 'god is dead' rhetoric. on the one hand you have a lot of people who inherited their religious thinking and dont think critically about much of it. on the other hand you have a bunch of people who think critically enough to recognize that the first group is wrong on a lot of counts, but they aren't doing much original thinking either. they use the wrongness of those who believe as an excuse not to address spiritual mysteries in an honest way. now i'm not directly accusing anyone of being in either camp, but i'm certainly encouraging you to avoid both, if not for your own sake, then for the sake of my patience.

lesson concluded. commence sex
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Post by: pielord47 on August 26, 2008, 06:33:48 pm
I don't care what any of you think of these words but I don't like em and I am not using them
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Post by: C-zom on August 26, 2008, 06:39:03 pm
Quote from: pielord47
I don't care what any of you think of these words but I don't like em and I am not using them

We heard you say that the last five times. No one cares.
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Post by: zblewski on August 26, 2008, 07:26:56 pm
Maybe I should wordfilter all swear words to "pielord" for a day or two.
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Post by: KingRanter on August 26, 2008, 07:31:19 pm
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Maybe I should wordfilter all swear words to "pielord" for a day or two.
yes. Yes. YES!!!!

make it a week or so at least
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 26, 2008, 08:38:21 pm
Quote from: KingRanter
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Maybe I should wordfilter all swear words to "pielord" for a day or two.
yes. Yes. YES!!!!

make it a week or so at least

no. make it a week ago
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Post by: KingRanter on August 26, 2008, 09:27:30 pm
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Maybe I should wordfilter all swear words to "pielord" for a day or two.
yes. Yes. YES!!!!

make it a week or so at least

no. make it a week ago
............................................................. huh.
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Post by: enragedlobster on August 26, 2008, 10:56:38 pm
Quote from: pielord47
I don't care what any of you think of these words but I don't like em and I am not using them
shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits
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Post by: Lord Doom on August 27, 2008, 02:32:42 am
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I don't care what any of you think of these words but I don't like em and I am not using them
shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits
I agree with this fine man
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 27, 2008, 05:26:00 am
it's cool if you choose to think of certain words as seriously bad, pielord, but usually the people who feel inspired to make everyone aware of their special religious morals tend to be judgemental and so even if you aren't like that, and you seem cool, you bringing it up probably reminds some of us of those people, eliciting the 'fuck you hater' kneejerk reaction. they're just trying in a somewhat misguided way to make sure no one tries to control them or change them. just dont preach to people who don't ask for it, and there will be no angry mob behavior.
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Post by: 1ofkind on August 27, 2008, 09:50:42 am
My motivation to curse comes from some stupid fucking dumb people such as soccer moms whom which spend most of their time in a fucking over sized kitchen, and so they don't know anything about the real world and are actually stupid enough to think that they're being physically assaulted by certain words.
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 27, 2008, 09:54:59 am
man, i'd love to assault her tires if ya kno what i mean.
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 27, 2008, 10:06:34 pm
Quote from: llamavore
on an aside... i believe in god... it's not necessarily a 'fairy tale'

yes it is.  it's a fairytale.

god isn't dead.  god was never alive.  god is the figment in the imagination of man.  if it helps you to get through life believing in god then go for it... but man's belief in god has caused more problems than not.

true story
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 28, 2008, 02:18:08 am
Quote from: nIveK oGre
Quote from: llamavore
on an aside... i believe in god... it's not necessarily a 'fairy tale'

yes it is.  it's a fairytale.

god isn't dead.  god was never alive.  god is the figment in the imagination of man.  if it helps you to get through life believing in god then go for it... but man's belief in god has caused more problems than not.

true story

that's a very immature perspective. people who rely on logic will be the first to tell you, god can't be proven or disproven. any belief about something that can't be proven is just as religious as any other. the question about the validity of a belief is not how much faith it involves but how logically it involves that faith. people who believe no 'god' or like phenomena exist, are just as close minded as those who believe one does exist. but unlike a logical person who also believes in god, and will admit it is a belief and not a fact, those who disbelieve in god tend to think not only that it is some kind of fact, but they Also think they are superior to those who admit they just believe, and call -hose- people 'religious' as if by contrast to themselves. they reach new heights of hypocracy. at least intellectual hypocracy.

i understand if other people are agnostic about god or believe god doesn't exist but recognize it's not provable. but to do more is just stupid. until we reach the archimedial point, and become omniscient, our perspective will always be subjective, as we are subjective, limited as we are limited. and once we become omniscient we will be what we think of as god, anyway. so until we are god there will always be mystery, and a logical person does not make the leap of faith here stating their unprovable belief as if it is proven. even if god shows up to one person and proves to that person that that phenomena exists, that is not a scientific proof that can be reproduced. it's a personal one. the inverse is true; even if someone's personal experience disproves god -in their lives- that is not a disproof of god everywhere.

even if a higher form of life doesn't exist, life ultimately strives, via evolution, to overcome everything that limits it. life is god in an infant stage. now the reason life will then look to see if there already is a 'god' is because if there is, it could evolve a lot faster towards its goals with the help of this 'god.' (or these gods?) but even if there is none, life wills itself to become one. and since at some level of reality, reality generates itself (or reductionism stretches on infinitely?), that level of reality is beyond limitation (except for the limitation of existing) and if there's nothing else, that itself is close enough to be called god. ish.


anyway, feel free to disbelieve in god, but if you preach it illogically like you did in that quote, i'll intellectually rape you just like I would any other preachy-type. no hard feelings though <3 i love you guise. i just hate to see such fundamental mysteries handled so carelessly. objectivity is nirvana. -does drugs in his head-
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 28, 2008, 08:36:09 am
yeah, i'm not going to read all that

god is a fairytale.  the person who wrote this particular fairytale was smart to put in a no-escape clause in it thus making sure people could always fall back on the ol' "you can't disprove it" line.  it's a nice story but there is better reading out there.

i did see the part about you thinking you could intellectually rape me though.  that was funny.  rape always jumps out at me when i see it on a page.
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 28, 2008, 09:56:18 am
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god is a fairytale.  the person who wrote this particular fairytale was smart to put in a no-escape clause in it thus making sure people could always fall back on the ol' "you can't disprove it" line.  it's a nice story but there is better reading out there.

if you're going to make a claim you should be prepared to back it up. either you can prove what you say or you expect people to take it on faith. there is a shit-ton of things that can't be proven or disproven. plz continue making atheists look bad.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 28, 2008, 03:45:58 pm
Nivek, if you truly wish to disprove Christianity, all you must do is disprove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Once you have done that, the entire faith will fall apart, but trust me. You can't. And any other beliefs like Evolution and crap is just ox. Where did this single cell come from? And don't give me, "Well where did God come from?" He's freakin God he doesn't need a stinkin beginning. He is all powerful and omniscient and omnipresent and stuff. He's not meant to be understood so live with it. Or don't live with it and die and then realize it.

And llavamore, and respect you didn't have of mine has been gained. (Just remember God is spelled with a capital 'g') May God bless you.
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Post by: KingRanter on August 28, 2008, 05:18:17 pm
you are both great big Jews >_>
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 28, 2008, 05:32:02 pm
i dont want your respect really, just your french toast and your pie.

evolution occurs now and is observed. the theory of speciation by evolution wasn't directly observed but there is evidence. (that's why it's still a theory) i wont' get into that debate with a christian but, if god made the world harmonious in the beginning, where did carnivores come from? where did wasps that plant their young in living hosts come from? some kind of evolution had to occur for that scenario to make sense.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 28, 2008, 06:05:20 pm
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you are both great big Jews >_>
I am not a Jew, I am a Christian
Jews are just idoits. They keep saying, "Where's the Messiah?" but everytime someone comes along and says, "I'm him." they kill him.
Quote from: llamavore
i dont want your respect really, just your french toast and your pie.

evolution occurs now and is observed. the theory of speciation by evolution wasn't directly observed but there is evidence. (that's why it's still a theory) i wont' get into that debate with a christian but, if god made the world harmonious in the beginning, where did carnivores come from? where did wasps that plant their young in living hosts come from? some kind of evolution had to occur for that scenario to make sense.
Carnivores, violence, any sort of sin came from when Adam and Eve first sinned and brought it into the world. When they sinned they let sin into the world and everything became infected with it.
As for my French Toast and Pie, it's mine! All mine! Hahahahahahaha!
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Post by: enragedlobster on August 28, 2008, 06:42:44 pm
Quote from: pielord47
Jews are just idoits.
*cough*

I was born and raised a Christian. I went to 10 years of Catholic school. I'm not a Christian now, partially because of people like you.
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Post by: KingRanter on August 28, 2008, 07:26:38 pm
I'm a christian also. and by the way, here is a message to both of you
(http://yourargumentisinvalid.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/my_hair_is_a_bird-257x300.jpg)
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Post by: iron snake on August 28, 2008, 07:41:43 pm
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Nivek, if you truly wish to disprove Christianity, all you must do is disprove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Once you have done that, the entire faith will fall apart, but trust me. You can't. And any other beliefs like Evolution and crap is just ox. Where did this single cell come from? And don't give me, "Well where did God come from?" He's freakin God he doesn't need a stinkin beginning. He is all powerful and omniscient and omnipresent and stuff. He's not meant to be understood so live with it. Or don't live with it and die and then realize it.
We dont have to disprove this resurrection you need to prove it. Thats just like me asking you to disprove that I have a spaceship infront of my house.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 28, 2008, 08:07:20 pm
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Nivek, if you truly wish to disprove Christianity, all you must do is disprove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Once you have done that, the entire faith will fall apart, but trust me. You can't. And any other beliefs like Evolution and crap is just ox. Where did this single cell come from? And don't give me, "Well where did God come from?" He's freakin God he doesn't need a stinkin beginning. He is all powerful and omniscient and omnipresent and stuff. He's not meant to be understood so live with it. Or don't live with it and die and then realize it.
We dont have to disprove this resurrection you need to prove it. Thats just like me asking you to disprove that I have a spaceship infront of my house.
there's only four accounts of it in a historically accurate collection of books. Everyone saw Jesus die and 400 people saw him after he was dead
Good enough for you?
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 28, 2008, 08:15:48 pm
i'm not saying miracles can't happen? but until they can be predictably reproduced in laboratories, there's no use trying to say 'it's proven.' i know the things that have happened to me, paranormal things beyond coincidence, are real. but i also understand that if they'd never happened to me, but to someone else, i'd have a hard time just taking someone else's word for it. so i'm perfectly fine with people not taking my word for it, it's too much to believe without a direct experience, a direct observation. i only ask people not to tell me my experiences are impossible. agnosticism ftw.
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Post by: pielord47 on August 28, 2008, 08:27:45 pm
Hello, if's he God he can reproduce anything, anywhere, anytime. But he's dead, in the physical world anyway. If you're waiting for a point where we as humans can bring people back from the dead or change water to wine then you'll be waiting a long time because there is a such thing as a supernatural act. The miracles Christ performed cannot be duplicated by humans unless they scrap the laws of science like the Law of Conservation of Matter. Jesus turned Five loaves of Bread and two fish into a meal for 4000 people and had 12 baskets of leftovers. He walked on water in its liquid form which is impossible. You can only walk on water when it's frozen. He turned water into wine which cannot be done without rearranging a lot of atoms and molecules and crap until you get wine. Plus he healed people of all sorts of diseases that weren't curable till the 20th century. This man was amazing and he actually existed and did these things. It's recorded in four books named after their authors, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. First hand accounts of Jesus' ministry. Plus he fulfilled like over 100 prophecies, every single one of them.

God is real and so is Jesus. There is proof yet so many people overlook it.
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Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 28, 2008, 09:50:16 pm
there's no scientific proof. the god of the christian faith witholds proof specifically to keep it a test of faith. so if you believe in that god, you shouldn't preach that it is proven by absolute logical or scientific standards. it is only proven according to the personal standards of whoever decides the evidence is enough for them. that's the nature of any theory or belief that someone accepts as true, while not having enough evidence to validate it. it's only honest to admit we can't prove all our beliefs, if we believe things on this scale. and if you're secure in your position you won't feel compelled to make it seem more substantial than it is, as if it is a scientifically evidenced fact, when in fact it is more a personally evidenced theory. if you're secure in your belief you can accept that it is a belief.
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Post by: Electric Mango on August 28, 2008, 10:51:06 pm
Piss in my ass

Piss in my ass!
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Post by: nIveK oGre on August 29, 2008, 02:42:45 am
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god is a fairytale.  the person who wrote this particular fairytale was smart to put in a no-escape clause in it thus making sure people could always fall back on the ol' "you can't disprove it" line.  it's a nice story but there is better reading out there.

if you're going to make a claim you should be prepared to back it up. either you can prove what you say or you expect people to take it on faith. there is a shit-ton of things that can't be proven or disproven. plz continue making atheists look bad.

LOL

i'm making the claim that you're a mook and my backup is your responses in this topic.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 29, 2008, 03:04:35 am
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god is a fairytale.  the person who wrote this particular fairytale was smart to put in a no-escape clause in it thus making sure people could always fall back on the ol' "you can't disprove it" line.  it's a nice story but there is better reading out there.

if you're going to make a claim you should be prepared to back it up. either you can prove what you say or you expect people to take it on faith. there is a shit-ton of things that can't be proven or disproven. plz continue making atheists look bad.

LOL

i'm making the claim that you're a mook and my backup is your responses in this topic.
the responses you felt were too long to read, while also stating the bible is a fairytale?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on August 29, 2008, 11:28:52 am
Quote from: llamavore
Quote from: nIveK oGre
Quote from: llamavore
Quote from: nIveK oGre
god is a fairytale.  the person who wrote this particular fairytale was smart to put in a no-escape clause in it thus making sure people could always fall back on the ol' "you can't disprove it" line.  it's a nice story but there is better reading out there.

if you're going to make a claim you should be prepared to back it up. either you can prove what you say or you expect people to take it on faith. there is a shit-ton of things that can't be proven or disproven. plz continue making atheists look bad.

LOL

i'm making the claim that you're a mook and my backup is your responses in this topic.
the responses you felt were too long to read, while also stating the bible is a fairytale?

yes!

it's a good fairytale though.  we all know Horton didn't really hear a Who, the tooth fairy isn't the one putting that quarter under your pillow at night, and Santa Clause didn't buy you that Tickle-Me-Elmo doll but no one will ever disprove that Jesus died on a cross for my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i will always have my Jesus on a cross story to get me to sleep at night.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on August 29, 2008, 11:53:36 am
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Nivek, if you truly wish to disprove Christianity, all you must do is disprove the Resurrection of Jesus Christ
Once you have done that, the entire faith will fall apart, but trust me. You can't. And any other beliefs like Evolution and crap is just ox. Where did this single cell come from? And don't give me, "Well where did God come from?" He's freakin God he doesn't need a stinkin beginning. He is all powerful and omniscient and omnipresent and stuff. He's not meant to be understood so live with it. Or don't live with it and die and then realize it.
We dont have to disprove this resurrection you need to prove it. Thats just like me asking you to disprove that I have a spaceship infront of my house.
there's only four accounts of it in a historically accurate collection of books. Everyone saw Jesus die and 400 people saw him after he was dead
Good enough for you?
And where are you getting this information from, the bible I'm guessing?

And how do you know it's true because it says its true, nope no circular logic here at all.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on August 29, 2008, 11:53:36 am
Double posts are bad.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on August 29, 2008, 04:15:52 pm
The bible has proven to be historically accurate. Archeologists use it to find places. bible says city here, Archeologist digs and find the city. Bible says person lived, they find their remains.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on August 29, 2008, 04:27:08 pm
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The bible has proven to be historically accurate. Archeologists use it to find places. bible says city here, Archeologist digs and find the city. Bible says person lived, they find their remains.
Lots of histroical texts recorded majour cities in ancient times thats nothing significant. How would they even know who the remains belonged to?

The bible also contrdicts itself in many places and has been altered many times through history.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 30, 2008, 03:17:14 am
Quote from: nIveK oGre
yes!

it's a good fairytale though.  we all know Horton didn't really hear a Who, the tooth fairy isn't the one putting that quarter under your pillow at night, and Santa Clause didn't buy you that Tickle-Me-Elmo doll but no one will ever disprove that Jesus died on a cross for my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i will always have my Jesus on a cross story to get me to sleep at night.

writing something off as completely true or completely false is the easiest way to avoid original thought.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on August 30, 2008, 08:59:40 am
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yes!

it's a good fairytale though.  we all know Horton didn't really hear a Who, the tooth fairy isn't the one putting that quarter under your pillow at night, and Santa Clause didn't buy you that Tickle-Me-Elmo doll but no one will ever disprove that Jesus died on a cross for my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i will always have my Jesus on a cross story to get me to sleep at night.

writing something off as completely true or completely false is the easiest way to avoid original thought.

and making up a story about the origin of life and telling people that they can't ever prove it's untrue is the easiest way to become a total douchebag
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Fake from State Jarm on August 30, 2008, 10:36:35 am
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Quote from: llamavore
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yes!

it's a good fairytale though.  we all know Horton didn't really hear a Who, the tooth fairy isn't the one putting that quarter under your pillow at night, and Santa Clause didn't buy you that Tickle-Me-Elmo doll but no one will ever disprove that Jesus died on a cross for my sins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i will always have my Jesus on a cross story to get me to sleep at night.

writing something off as completely true or completely false is the easiest way to avoid original thought.

and making up a story about the origin of life and telling people that they can't ever prove it's untrue is the easiest way to become a total douchebag
barring time travel or some other advanced means of more direct observation, no theory about the distant past can be proven. we just generate relative probabilities from the evidence we continue to acquire. logic is for douchebags?

the reason creationism can't be disproven states that it can't be proven either. so if their defense is already working in your favor, and they dont realize this, any energy you spend arguing is a waste. they either recognize that it is a belief that can't be debated on scientific grounds, or they are dogmatists who can't be taught. unfortunately atheism has developed some dogmaticism as well.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 01, 2008, 06:18:42 pm
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The bible has proven to be historically accurate. Archeologists use it to find places. bible says city here, Archeologist digs and find the city. Bible says person lived, they find their remains.
Lots of histroical texts recorded majour cities in ancient times thats nothing significant. How would they even know who the remains belonged to?

The bible also contrdicts itself in many places and has been altered many times through history.
do you know the process by which the Bible was copied down? The scribe would take a lot of time to write down each letter perfectly and if they made even a small error they would scrap the whole thing. And please tell me how the Bible contradicts itself.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on September 01, 2008, 06:24:45 pm
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The bible has proven to be historically accurate. Archeologists use it to find places. bible says city here, Archeologist digs and find the city. Bible says person lived, they find their remains.
Lots of histroical texts recorded majour cities in ancient times thats nothing significant. How would they even know who the remains belonged to?

The bible also contrdicts itself in many places and has been altered many times through history.
do you know the process by which the Bible was copied down? The scribe would take a lot of time to write down each letter perfectly and if they made even a small error they would scrap the whole thing. And please tell me how the Bible contradicts itself.
A list of contradicitions from the first google result I got because it's easier:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim...radictions.html (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html)

You have to remember that every scribe that copied the bible was under the political pressures of their countries and would by consequence have added or taken our bits to suit there political will.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 01, 2008, 06:46:01 pm
The fact that you just gave me a link with contradictions prove you know nothing of the Bible and therefor cannot make a good judgment about it.
If you actually read the Bible and find the contradictions and then explain why they are totally contradictory then I will listen, but I will not go through that humongous list that was compiled by someone who you do not know at all.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on September 01, 2008, 06:54:11 pm
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The fact that you just gave me a link with contradictions prove you know nothing of the Bible and therefor cannot make a good judgment about it.
If you actually read the Bible and find the contradictions and then explain why they are totally contradictory then I will listen, but I will not go through that humongous list that was compiled by someone who you do not know at all.
I don't need to explain it I just gave you a long list detailing it all that was the whole point because I didn't want to and didn't see it as necessary.

If you arn't even going to consider what I say really what is the point of this?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 01, 2008, 08:36:51 pm
you didn't say anything except, "I'm lazy so here's a list."
Why don't you take out some key "contradictions" from that list so I can disprove them?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on September 01, 2008, 08:45:21 pm
i'm starting to think that pielord is actually jesus reincarnated

how else could he be so blindingly brilliant?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Electric Mango on September 01, 2008, 08:48:48 pm
Pielord R great
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 01, 2008, 08:52:26 pm
Quote from: nIveK oGre
i'm starting to think that pielord is actually jesus reincarnated

how else could he be so blindingly brilliant?
you're mocking me, aren't you?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on September 01, 2008, 09:12:47 pm
i would never do that, don't be so modest.  you are jesus aren't you?

how fucking cool is it that JESUS is a member of RIA?!?!?!  someone should inform the CN forums pronto.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Fake from State Jarm on September 02, 2008, 12:10:48 am
but i thought i was jesus o.o
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on September 02, 2008, 12:21:13 am
i think we all have some jesus in us

so in a way you are jesus
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: iron snake on September 02, 2008, 11:03:25 am
PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation
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GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.
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GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

Go for it.

Also if the bible is condsidered the infallable word of god then why do people see the need to remove or add parts?
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Fake from State Jarm on September 02, 2008, 12:20:18 pm
i'm not sure where the notion of infallibility came from, but i think it is perpetuated so that people can just believe in the bible instead of trying to actually understand a god or a logical concept of god (a much more difficult task). although now that i think about it, people may believe it to be completely bunk, with the same motivations.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 02, 2008, 07:39:25 pm
Quote from: nIveK oGre
i would never do that, don't be so modest.  you are jesus aren't you?

how fucking cool is it that JESUS is a member of RIA?!?!?!  someone should inform the CN forums pronto.
I don't think I'm Jesus. I mean I could be God and just make myself not remember.

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PRO 26:4 Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.

PRO 26:5 Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.

This is saying that anyway you answer fools doesn't matter because they are fools.
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EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.

God is both a God of wa and a God of peace. He wants peace and stuff but if someone pisses him off about stuff (*cough* Satan *cough*) then they better watch out
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GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation.
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation

This is when God was finished and he was like "Ahh. So beautiful." Then man sinned and he was like "Not beautiful anymore."
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GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.

There were actually no Nephilim after the flood. That was a false report brought back by the Israelite spies because they were scared of the inhabitants of the promised land.
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GE 11:26 Terah was 70 years old when his son Abram was born.
GE 11:32 Terah was 205 years old when he died (making Abram 135 at the time).
GE 12:4, AC 7:4 Abram was 75 when he left Haran. This was after Terah died. Thus, Terah could have been no more than 145 when he died; or Abram was only 75 years old after he had lived 135 years.

Go for it.

Also if the bible is condsidered the infallible word of god then why do people see the need to remove or add parts?
That last one though I really have no idea how that worked though I suppose there was no real concept of years back then since the calender didn't exist.
As for removing or adding I have no clue what you're talking about. I didn't know the Bible has changed in centuries.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: Crunka on September 02, 2008, 10:43:34 pm
the bible's changed a lot, kid. i mean, it has been translated into so many languages, of course something will be lost or changed.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: nIveK oGre on September 03, 2008, 12:46:53 am
you didnt know the bible has been changed?  do you have the King James version of the bible?  why do you suppose there is a "King James" version?  never thought to ask yourself that?

there have been things added and omitted from the bible as well as things changed.  english wasn't the original language which is why there are scholars who waste their entire lives studying the bible because they have to interpret past languages and all the intricacies of the load of horseshit known as the holy bible.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: pielord47 on September 03, 2008, 03:47:43 pm
well I knew it has different versions and there are all sorts of different words used because they weren't that good with Hebrew or whatnot but the meaning remains unchanged.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: zblewski on September 03, 2008, 05:33:05 pm
Give me one good reason not to close this argument within an hour.
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: KingRanter on September 03, 2008, 07:37:58 pm
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Give me one good reason to close this argument within an hour.
because it's off topic now and has nothing to do with swearing anymore
Title: What is your motivation for swearing?
Post by: zblewski on September 03, 2008, 07:39:41 pm
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Quote from: zblewski
Give me one good reason to close this argument within an hour.
because it's off topic now and has nothing to do with swearing anymore

Sold.

Closing.