Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: schneereich on February 04, 2008, 01:30:46 am
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i went to subway for lunch, and overheard a man and a woman talking at the next table:
man: does god REALLY want us to explore other planets? what if it's in his plan to have us all die when the sun becomes a red giant?
woman: the sun will never become a red giant. you've fallen into an evolutionist perspective.
man: *gasp* it's not evolution! it's just the science of stars. in about two billion years, the sun will become a red giant.
woman: two billion years? how can we know that? the universe is only 6000 years old! that kind of time scale isn't possible!
man: well, i can't argue with that. but does god really want us to explore other planets?
woman: well, the stars will continue to shine after armageddon. it's in genesis!
man: so does that mean we should go to those stars?
woman: no, that's why god put them so far away.
these people make me sad. 500 years ago, they're the type of people who would be adamantly opposed to sending exploration ships into the ocean. i can just imagine their 16th century equivalents saying "god doesn't want us to explore the new world. that's why it's so far away!"
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Exactly.
That's why there shouldn't be religion, in my opinion.
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religion is instinctive. (constructing belief systems is instinctive. modern recognized, 'official' religions are just one iteration or the instinct)
but dont worry, religion also evolves, and is subject to natural selection. stupid people's belief systems will destroy themselves.
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I don't care for religion. It's unnecessary for me.
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1. We can't do anything against God's will, as he has power over us to do as he wishes.
2. If we try to go into space, God will either facilitate or not. He'll tell the tonice, or he'll tell the astronaut. depends on if ur prot or cath
3. The bible says that we shouldn't try to explore because there bad things there.
4. Im a devout athiest.
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1. I beleive in god.
2. But I also beleive in evolution.
3. I hate religous wackos.
4. RIA type wacko's are cool.
5. THIS IS CAKETOWN!!!!!!!!
6. I'm a megalomanic.
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1. I beleive in god.
2. But I also beleive in evolution.
3. I hate religous wackos.
4. RIA type wacko's are cool.
5. THIS IS CAKETOWN!!!!!!!!
6. dark tyrant is a megalomanic.
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1. I believe in god.
2. But I also believe in evolution.
3. I hate religious wackos.
4. RIA type wacko's are cool.
5. THIS IS CAKETOWN!!!!!!!!
6. dark tyrant is a megalomaniac.
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1. I beleive in god.
2. But I also beleive in evolution.
3. I hate religous wackos.
d. Florida
4. RIA type wacko's are cool.
5. THIS IS CAKETOWN!!!!!!!!
6. I'm a megalomanic.
this and fix'd
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When you stop being humane or civilized or smart because of a belief...well, that's just taking it too far. For those who have nothing else, a belief in some form of savior is fine, but when it then intrudes on your ability to think freely and cooperate with others, it should be ended right there.
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When you stop being humane or civilized or smart because of a belief...well, that's just taking it too far. For those who have nothing else, a belief in some form of savior is fine, but when it then intrudes on your ability to think freely and cooperate with others, it should be ended right there.
So basically you're against people refusing to be humane, civilized, or smart, since one belief or another is at the root of every action. The fact that you tar every religious person with the same brush because of some bad apples is disgusting. It's like me saying everybody should be religious because atheists make Christian genocide websites (and they do, albeit they're a minority, and, hopefully, a miniscule one).
In my opinion, religion itself isn't bad. If it were gone, people would have, and create, plenty of other beliefs to kill each other and try to suppress free thought with. The real problem is the darker side of human nature perverting good things for twisted ends. It's not like there's anything inherently wrong with belief in a higher power. If anything, it's probably a great thing in the lives of many who do.
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>_>
I get the feeling that you forgot to actually read my post.
I said when you start to act that way because of a belief, then that's taking it too far. I'm not saying all religion is inherently sadistic and wrong.
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Well there was your post before that ("That's why there shouldn't be religion, in my opinion."), and, chances are my post will apply to SOMEBODY who's going to post anyway since the internet is full of militant atheists.
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Yep. It's my opinion that there shouldn't be religion. I've always felt that all we really need is culture. But I see that religion is a good thing for some people, so obviously it will not be removed.
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Culture doesn't fulfill the need many have to explain the unexplainable, or pretty much any spiritual need.
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I'm not arguing with you, Joker, even though you seem to want to. I'm stating my opinion, and nothing more.
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Joker, religion shouldn't stay in place because it helps people kill each other for a good reason. Religion itself is a good idea, but when it intrudes on your life (Stabbing someone in the heart for God, for example.) and how you think (tonicE IS HOLY), or how you feel its a probem. I don't follow religious practices, but people who do are cool with me. As long as they aren't extremists. Flask has a point, when it comes down to the point where religion is the backbone of keeping people alive, there's a problem.
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Fundamentalist Christians and Atheists are IMO the most irritating religions I have come across.
*is nonreligious*
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I find religion, personally, pointless. But since other people are so into it I don't ever mention it. I hate it when people go all "GODGODGOD" on me.
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Fundamentalist Christians and Atheists are IMO the most irritating religions I have come across.
Atheism is not a religion, it is the lack of having a religion.
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What are you talking about, I see them trying to convert people all the time.
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I find religion, personally, pointless. But since other people are so into it I don't ever mention it. I hate it when people go all "GODGODGOD" on me.
I agree with this. I find religion pointless. God... eh. I know there is one, but I don't let the thought control my life. <_<
Unlike sex.
/zing
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I personally feel religion is outdated for a modern society, but nonetheless believe in god. I jsut feel that religion is an excuse to do amoral things and make them moral. I mean the bible, only the old testament b.c thats what i have read, sanctions genocide and makes god out to be as petty as every human, why because of the time it was written in and to base a belief system off that is unhealthy and outdated
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I find religion, personally, pointless. But since other people are so into it I don't ever mention it. I hate it when people go all "GODGODGOD" on me.
This! I had an ex i tried to stay friends w/ and she got all "psycho christian" me saying (among other stuff this is just an example) she believed that God obviously didn't want us to be together and shit... it really pissed me off.
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Man, that blows Tomb.
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I find religion, personally, pointless. But since other people are so into it I don't ever mention it. I hate it when people go all "GODGODGOD" on me.
I agree with this. I find religion pointless. God... eh. I know there is one, but I don't let the thought control my life. <_<
Unlike sex.
/zing
I believe i control my life, no one else (w/ exception of US Gov ) controls it. Sex doesn't control my life either...but then again its been a while since i have gone a day w/o sex...
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Man, that blows Tomb.
Tell me bout it
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Same. I don't believe God controls my life. And even if he does, if he has some magical plan, no reason for me to get caught up and pray for shit. Or even care, right? I don't let religion bother me.
Screw Bush!
My sex comment was a joke. =P Don't worry.
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the best argument against religion and the grand plan thing i've heard is accepting that there is such an ultimate plan that god has but that the suffering in the world that exists now is not worth the plan and though u accept the existence of god and his grand plan u reject the idea of worshipping that god that allows children to starve to death everyday
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The answer to that, for me, is my belief. I believe God is emotional, conflicted, and makes mistakes. -Shrug- Which is fine with me. The bad happens on purpose, good happens by luck.
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Same. I don't believe God controls my life. And even if he does, if he has some magical plan, no reason for me to get caught up and pray for shit. Or even care, right? I don't let religion bother me.
Screw Bush!
My sex comment was a joke. =P Don't worry.
lol if God does exist i believe he/she/it has a weird sense of humor...we should try RIcruiting God.
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that blatantly flies in the face of accepted religion though as the idea is that god is all powerful
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The best joke i've heard bout God is "If God created man in his image does that mean the God is a horny, never asking for directions, leaving the toilet seat up, self centered, etc... individual?" lol
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that blatantly flies in the face of accepted religion though as the idea is that god is all powerful
Ahuh, thats the idea. I don't believe every word other people tell me. I make my own opinions about religion, too. And if I go to Hell because I don't believe God is a perfect being, then screw that.
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The best joke i've heard bout God is "If God created man in his image does that mean the God is a horny, never asking for directions, burritos the toilet seat up, self centered, etc... individual?" lol
XD
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God is perfect therefor he cannot make mistakes, only man can make mistakes
when they say God created man in his own image it doesn't mean he made us to look like him, it means he gave us attributes like his
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He isn't. I really don't feel like delving into my beliefs. But he isn't.
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then you and i don't believe in the same God
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what attributes are those?
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Do you really want to lose this argument in front of everybody? <_<
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i haven't lost anything
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I have a really weird belief system which i don't want to get into cuz frankly its a lil unorthadox
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pielord what religion are u?
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Who else would be fighting for God besides a Christian?
therefor i am a Christian
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*Ahem*
I vote that we go and storm some Religous Wacko's church.
*Ahem*
THIS IS STILL CAKETOWN!!!!!!
That is all.
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Who else would be fighting for God besides a Christian?
therefor i am a Christian
Jews believe in(not fight for god)
Muslims fight for God they just call him/her/it by a different name
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I'm sure you believe God is perfect. He's never made a mistake, and everything was within his plan. I'm sure you'll say even his mistakes are within a plan after I'm done. Lets start with creation. Or well, the belief of it.
God creates earth. But why? Maybe he's lonely. I doubt he just wanted to make people. I believe he was lonely anyway. Lonely=Negative emotion. So he creates us, etc etc. (Go along with it.) and then Eden rolls along. Why would he create evil? Why create an evil tree, and the Snake, unless he had to? If God put all of himself into the world and his creation, then that means he is evil. Evil stuck, and evil took over. He had a flaw within himself. And if he was perfect, he would have undone this damage. But he couldn't, simply because he can't change himself. Right?
Anyway. Satan. The story goes he let Satan believe all God believed, and saw. Immediately Satan turned into, jealous, angry and confused. ...Well? Whats that show us? God has a war raging within himself, or he's like the rest of us. And literally did make us in his image, with all emotions. Including evil.
God can undo death, but he can't kill demons. He "Casts them out" and they go elsewhere and mostly into other people. But why? Because there has to be evil, thats how he created it. Death isn't evil, its good. Therefore he can change it.
I have more, but I'll let you think about that.
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lol nice
does that mean we get cake?
and i dunno if i wanna argue with u so yeah, but i will say if the attribute that god gave us is what i think you mean then there is biblical evidence to refute that
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lol nice
does that mean we get cake?
and i dunno if i wanna argue with u so yeah, but i will say if the attribute that god gave us is what i think you mean then there is biblical evidence to refute that
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double post =(
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*Applauds*
Excellent speech Wethepeople.
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See...in my beliefs i do not believe Lucifer (more commonly known as Satan or the Devil) is the evil one...
*waits to be called some kind of Satanist*
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Thats a possibility, Tomb. Anything is possible really. -Shrug-
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God created Earth and everything on it because he wanted to be worshiped. Yes. He is an extremely selfish God.
Evil developed out the angel Lucifer who was the shining angel. He, however, wanted to be more powerful than God and God didn't like this so he created a little place called hell for Lucifer and his band of angels to live away from him. Lucifer was then somehow named Satan.
God did undo this damage. He sent his one and only son to die on the cross to save you, me, and that guy eating at Dunkin Doughnuts in Springfield.
God can't kill. Murder is a sin. He has a special angel for that called the Angel of Death. God casts out demons because he can't kill. And he has never cast demons into people, he cast them into animals.
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while that is a good speech we the people it isn't entirely true god created earth because it was "good" again read the creation story he first one not the second. he also did not create evil the tree was the knowledge of good and evil not evil itself. but there in lies the fundamental problem with christianity, god i supposed to be all good if he is all good and created the earth then he couldn't have made evil so that implies that either evil is separate from god but then he is not almighty there is a higher definition of right and wrong then exists with god, or it implies that god did create evil ad thus had to have evil within him and thus isn't actually all good.
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God created Earth and everything on it because he wanted to be worshiped. Yes. He is an extremely selfish God.
Evil developed out the angel Lucifer who was the shining angel. He, however, wanted to be more powerful than God and God didn't like this so he created a little place called hell for Lucifer and his band of angels to live away from him. Lucifer was then somehow named Satan.
God did undo this damage. He sent his one and only son to die on the cross to save you, me, and that guy eating at Dunkin Doughnuts in Springfield.
God can't kill. Murder is a sin. He has a special angel for that called the Angel of Death. God casts out demons because he can't kill. And he has never cast demons into people, he cast them into animals.
Wowza. My religous nutjob sensor just went off the charts....I DEMAND YOU BUY ME A NEW ONE!!!!
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God created Earth and everything on it because he wanted to be worshiped. Yes. He is an extremely selfish God.
Evil developed out the angel Lucifer who was the shining angel. He, however, wanted to be more powerful than God and God didn't like this so he created a little place called hell for Lucifer and his band of angels to live away from him. Lucifer was then somehow named Satan.
God did undo this damage. He sent his one and only son to die on the cross to save you, me, and that guy eating at Dunkin Doughnuts in Springfield.
God can't kill. Murder is a sin. He has a special angel for that called the Angel of Death. God casts out demons because he can't kill. And he has never cast demons into people, he cast them into animals.
Thats opinion. Wouldn't it be better to believe God was lonely, and wanted someone to talk to?
God created Lucifer, and made him the way he is. Its God's fault evil exists. He created Hell, yes, but they aren't there yet remember? They're on Earth.
Metephorically. God made a door, but didn't open it. Because HE can't change the way things are, people need to do it. And I've yet to find out why.
God can kill, and has. Flood anyone?
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pielord that doesn't actually solve the problem that of the origin of evil god created lucifer and he became evil as his creation
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while that is a good speech we the people it isn't entirely true god created earth because it was "good" again read the creation story he first one not the second. he also did not create evil the tree was the knowledge of good and evil not evil itself. but there in lies the fundamental problem with christianity, god i supposed to be all good if he is all good and created the earth then he couldn't have made evil so that implies that either evil is separate from god but then he is not almighty there is a higher definition of right and wrong then exists with god, or it implies that god did create evil ad thus had to have evil within him and thus isn't actually all good.
It was good. The meaning of that can be examined. As far as I care, a computer that runs is good. But if it isn't stable, thats different. Tree of Good and Evil. EVIL. Why the hell would he put evil in if he didn't want them to fall? Also, if God knows everything, he would have known they'd fall. And he didn't do anything to stop it, he encouraged it.
Thats what fundemental Christians believe. I am NOT Fundemental Christian, so.
I'm sure there are higher tiers of emotion within God. I believe we just feel the tip of the ice berg. I believe God is evil and good.
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God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.
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Thats a possibility, Tomb. Anything is possible really. -Shrug-
There is a version... not a version i believe in mind you but one that has facts that COULD be true if you really stretch your imagination.
In this version there were 3 brothers(yes male so already a point against this version) born all at the same time named Allah, God, and Lucifer. These 3 were to created and watched over all. God however became obsessed w/ being the best of the three and cast his greatest rival, Lucifer to watch over Hell (which i do also do not believe is as evil as Christians believe) and then turned his attention to the last brother, Allah.
Like i said not a version i believe but certainly an interesting look at religion
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God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.
Yeah. Right hand men find out about their partners feelings and secrets. Luficer blew the big one when he saw the light of God. That he was both good, and evil.
I know that. And humans are as important as animals, dude. But different arguement right there. Just because we have free will doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.
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I'm not arguing with you, Joker, even though you seem to want to. I'm stating my opinion, and nothing more.
Opinions are not inviolate like some people think, and if you have ones people disagree with, especially if they aren't very solid ones, expect people to argue against them.
And C-Zom I'm not quite sure what you got out of my post...so...I don't know if you want to rephrase your post in response to mine, or what. But for the rest of the topic...well, let's just say I don't really have the patience to wade into debates and discussions that have already been going on for a while without me.
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Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
Ben franklen.
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and who praytell birthed these people?
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BTW the Free Masons(yes they exist even today) believed that Lucifer is not Gods creation but his brother, twin to be exact and neither is wholely evil or good.
This is more wat i believe
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even if God does do something that creates something wrong, he fixes it
and he always will
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God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.
YO NUTJOB!!! I"M TALKING TO YOU!!!
WHEN THE HELL AM I GOING TO GET MY REPLACEMNT RELIGOUS WACKO SENSOR!!!
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you aren't
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and who praytell birthed these people?
the tale does not tell but who created God?
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even if God does do something that creates something wrong, he fixes it
and he always will
Thats opinion, again. You can't prove God will fix everything. You can't prove anyone will come back, or that we'll be saved. Just because a book says so doesn't mean its right. =/
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Pie, Tomb is talking about the story, he said multiple times he doesn't believe it. Its just an interesting theory.
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hmm... let's think about this...
all-powerful deity
does he really need a reason?
he is all-powerful
and if there was no God there would be no anything
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you aren't
more proof that Christians have warped the image of Lucifer
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hmm... let's think about this...
all-powerful deity
does he really need a reason?
he is all-powerful
and if there was no God there would be no anything
*cough* Big Bang
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you aren't
...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?
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God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.
Base on the bible and the story of adam and eve this is not true god did not want us to make our own decisions, adam and eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil which is the same as the ability to reason and thus the ability to sin, he did not want them to take from then tree they did and thus took that right which was not given to them by god, also just to defend women eve did not commit a sin in that story, sin requires knowledge of evil and knowing u are doing something wrong b4 eating the tree she did not have the knowledge of evil and thus did not sin thats a christian spin on the story
and the old testament defiantly supports wethepeople the god of the old testament is whinny and bitchy and makes mistakes
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Thats opinion, again. You can't prove God will fix everything. You can't prove anyone will come back, or that we'll be saved. Just because a book says so doesn't mean its right. =/
wrong. First off, it is 66 books. Second off, it was written by a lot of writers who were told by God what to write. The Bible is historically acurate also. Historians have looked in the Bible. Bible says town here. They look. Town's there. Bible says king was here. They look. Oh, here is the tomb of that king.
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Right, he's the boss of the world and so he doesn't need reason...?
I just lost interest in this debate. Good game, comrades.
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Just the sheer fact that we're asking a "why" question that we cannot reasonably answer is one of the reasons I believe in the Judeo-Christian God, and, ergo, Christianity. The fact that we can't answer the question means that we cannot begin to fathom God's reasoning, and I don't want to fathom God's reasoning. If I do, that means that I understand him. If I understand him, that puts him on my level. I would not like to be able to think that the wielder of infinite power has a level of intellectual ability equivalent to mine.
Second, the fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that Christ was raised from the dead, and it has been proved an immensely reliable source throughout time. Because of this (and the failure of several theories to disprove the occurrence of such an event) I must believe the Bible entirely. Actually, a formerly atheist Oxford scholar once said that he wished more people would try to disprove the resurrection (which, coincidentally, if you can, you can destroy Christianity) because then there would be many more true Christians.
This is my reasoning for believing as I do, and I attempt to live as closely to the Bible as possible. I fail constantly.
A lot of the complaints about Christians come about the fakers, those who just want to use the Bible as an excuse. Please do not take me for one of those who fake, as I really do attempt to live as closely to the true Scriptures as possible. If I am wrong, I try to change. This is true Christianity, and we will not know the true Christians until the Rapture occurs, if it occurs in our lifetimes, or until we die, and are faced down by the almighty.
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...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?
perhaps if you broke something that exists
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God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.
Base on the bible and the story of adam and eve this is not true god did not want us to make our own decisions, adam and eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil which is the same as the ability to reason and thus the ability to sin, he did not want them to take from then tree they did and thus took that right which was not given to them by god, also just to defend women eve did not commit a sin in that story, sin requires knowledge of evil and knowing u are doing something wrong b4 eating the tree she did not have the knowledge of evil and thus did not sin thats a christian spin on the story
and the old testament defiantly supports wethepeople the god of the old testament is whinny and bitchy and makes mistakes
Also is it possible that the snake(symbolizing Satan in the Christian version) was sent by God to test them?
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Thats opinion, again. You can't prove God will fix everything. You can't prove anyone will come back, or that we'll be saved. Just because a book says so doesn't mean its right. =/
wrong. First off, it is 66 books. Second off, it was written by a lot of writers who were told by God what to write. The Bible is historically acurate also. Historians have looked in the Bible. Bible says town here. They look. Town's there. Bible says king was here. They look. Oh, here is the tomb of that king.
Historically accurate? The date is accurate, and its accurate that people wrote the books. <_< Its not accurate its true, dude.
Y'know there's a state in the USA called New Jersey? See how easy it is? Naming locations =/= Being correct about everything.
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...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?
perhaps if you broke something that exists
HOW ABOUT IF I BREAK YOUR SPINE??!!!!
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also, I would like to mention at this time that we have GOD on our side.
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Y'know there's a state in the USA called New Jersey? See how easy it is? Naming locations =/= Being correct about everything.
XD i lol @ this its so true
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QUOTE (pielord47 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:27 AM) *
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...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?
perhaps if you broke something that exists
HOW ABOUT IF I BREAK YOUR SPINE??!!!!
how about you just shutup and let me argue?
Historically accurate? The date is accurate, and its accurate that people wrote the books. <_< Its not accurate its true, dude.
Y'know there's a state in the USA called New Jersey? See how easy it is? Naming locations =/= Being correct about everything.
yeah except it talks about things that don't exist anymore
oh, and by the way, the first translation of the bible was done years before Jesus was born and he fulfilled every prophecy made about him
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*ahem*
What the fuck did I miss? o__o
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QUOTE (pielord47 @ Feb 5 2008, 12:27 AM) *
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...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?
perhaps if you broke something that exists
HOW ABOUT IF I BREAK YOUR SPINE??!!!!
how about you just shutup and let me argue?
Historically accurate? The date is accurate, and its accurate that people wrote the books. <_< Its not accurate its true, dude.
Y'know there's a state in the USA called New Jersey? See how easy it is? Naming locations =/= Being correct about everything.
yeah except it talks about things that don't exist anymore
oh, and by the way, the first translation of the bible was done years before Jesus was born and he fulfilled every prophecy made about him
...Ever read a history book? Same thing.
The book says they were completed =/= Proof they were completed. It could have been true, or could have been a sequel to the story. Geesh.
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Off topic a lil but this one comedian said "God doesn't hate gays he's just pissed off cuz they found a loop hole in his system"
lmao
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god did not know in the story that eve and adam had eaten from the tree he was surprised,
and if u honestly wanna say u believe everything the bible says then u will be forced to admit that god is not almighty b/c he is not in the stories of the old testament. i go to a jesuit college and take a course on studying the bible and it is filled with blatant contradictions like the fact that god created the world twice
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*ahem*
What the fuck did I miss? o__o
a lot
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*sighs*
why am i here?
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*ahem*
What the fuck did I miss? o__o
a lot
Sweet.
Looks like though, this is turning into another religion thread. And THESE ALWAYS TURN OUT BAD ON RIA.
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INB4YOUSULKANDLEAVECAUSEYOUCAN'TANSWER
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i go to a jesuit college and take a course on studying the bible and it is filled with blatant contradictions like the fact that god created the world twice
citation, please, this is something I need to look at.
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b/c if u truely belive ur beliefs they can stand up to scrutiny and u could explain said cotradicitons
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*ahem*
What the fuck did I miss? o__o
a lot
Sweet.
Looks like though, this is turning into another religion thread. And THESE ALWAYS TURN OUT BAD ON RIA.
*agrees* anyone remember Pirc from years ago? *sweatdrop*
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Good point Loren
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Ever Angel/Deamon is linked to a word. The more the word is used the more power it gets.
The demon of Spam is a verry happy demon now. Verry few can remimber Gods or the devils words. A shinny new penny to any one who can tell me the words.
The Lords Should be EZ.
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ok i reopened the topic but play nice you guys
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in case invincible still care genisis there are two creation stories back to back that are blatantly different
the story of eden and the story of the seven days of creation they are different and contradict
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Close it again. I was trying to just talk about beliefs, I didn't want this to turn into a religious debate which I avoid like the plague. LOLOLOL
But seriously, I'm done. When people start rubbing the Bible and shit around like its law, I know my time is done. o_o Later, argument.
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yea i was right first time its staying locked