Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Fake from State Jarm on August 05, 2009, 11:24:35 pm
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link (http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/05/rush-limbaugh-attacks-obama-the-joker-and-me/)
lol @ funny joke about teh socialism and dumb democrats. socialist / communist ideals can't be enforced by gov and people who leverage the government in such a way are cowards.
lol @ limbaugh who r dumb.
lol @ people calling the image racist, fucking idiots. now I want to see an image in the same style, except it's the HL-joker's face, with african american skin tones.
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4828/blahrackobama.jpg)
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lol
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I hate it when people try to create racism where there is none.
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I hate it when people try to create racism where there is none.
THAT'S WHAT A RACIST WOULD SAY
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I hate it when people try to create racism where there is none.
THAT'S WHAT A RACIST WOULD SAY
THAT'S WHAT A LEMMIN WOULD SAY
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I really can't see how that's racist. I loved The Joker, so in my eyes, the only negative part is the word socialism - which has nothing to do with Obama as a person but with Obama's political stances. And his political stances are rather socialist, so it's not like it's even slander.
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... Except for the fact that history has proven that properly run socialist systems work excellently at stabalizing economies and bridiging the economic equality gap... And then a conservative leader always fucks it up by running in screaming "LAISSEZ-FAIRE!!!" and single-handedly destroying all progessive progress...
Free market = FAIL. There's no fucking "invisible hand" to guide the economy. All that happens is the business owners take advantage of a lack of regulation and seek to ruthlessly buy out their competition to establish monopolies and screw over the working class in the process.
Hence why the government NEEDS to step in and regulate the economy by limiting business practices and ensuring equal business oportunity so we don't end up like we are today. Anyone here remember what life was like BEFORE the massive bank mergers, resulting in only a small handful of top-players? You know, when there were small-scale town banks? Back then, if a bank went under, it was small enough that the government could easily pay off the investor insurance. Now a bank goes under, and FUCKKKKKKK!!! LET'S ADD TO THE DEFECIT BY PAYING TO KEEP THE BANKS AFLOAT AND THEN RISK HYPER-INFLATION BY PRINTING MORE MONEY TO INCREASE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE!!!
Yeah. Fucking brilliant.
Socialism at it's core is a brilliant way to regulate an economy. So the upper-class need pay higher taxes. Big whoop. At least they can afford it, unlike the working class that suffers finacially from the establishment of giant corporations, the lack of government regulation in banks and large corporations, and government-induced inflation. When it comes down to it, I'd say it's more important for average Joe to be able to afford to pay his electric bill than for Richie Rich to buy an 8th mansion.
>_>
/rant
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Socialism at its core is an attempt to make people more equal than they can be (more than they can be made equal by an outside force). say what you will about class separation, and there is plenty of injustice in it, but there is also a degree to which people segregate themselves into classes based on their motivation and efficacy. there's also lack of education but then just fix the education system.
neither socialism nor free market capitalism can fix the problem of consumers, not taking individual responsibility for their effect on the economy.
the ONLY true regulation of economy, comes from the buyers. people nowadays often are intimidated by the size of society, and their sense of disempowerment creates a vacuum which foments corruption, whether via corporations, governments, or other individuals. no government can replace what this mentality gives up. citizen identity is the basis of civilization, its erosion is the seed of destruction.
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For one, I noted socialism as being negative because it has a negative connotation in this image. The fact that it's plastered under the face of a super villain, no matter how awesome the villain, just makes it seem that the creator of this poster does not think positively of it. The basic construction of the image is associating the word socialism, Obama, and villainy all in one picture.
For two, the idea of capitalism isn't for an invisible hand to guide the economy. It's for all the hands of the consumers of the free market to guide the economy. Each individual contributing to the current that decides what fails and what succeeds, as per the demand of the consumer. At it's core, capitalism is not a brilliant method to maintain a healthy economy. It's like everything else in this world, it has it's downsides and upsides. I'm sure we're all familiar with the downsides at this point (such as monopolies and robber barons), but the upside is that we have liberty and choice.
For three, the idea of socialism is not perfect at it's core. I don't care how many socialism-junkies on the internet tell this to me. It's ridiculous that people can acknowledge that not any one aspect of life is in black and white, yet they come to this issue and treat it that way. There is no perfect system, and that is because we are human. Humans, by nature, are imperfect. Thus, our creations, by nature, are imperfect. We have flaws, lots of them. Just as our machines rarely run at 100% efficiency due to kinks in the system such as friction and other things we all learned in science class, the machine that we know as society will never be perfect. We do not have the privilege of living in a perfect world. We just have to make do with what we have.
That all being said, blaming all your hardships on some stereotypical rich capitalist with frivolous purchasing habits is hardly mature. Making up some scapegoat for you to hate because things are going poorly does not help stop things from going poorly. It merely propagates a stereotype for people to hate, and hate never fixes anything.
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... Except for the fact that history has proven that properly run socialist systems work excellently at stabalizing economies and bridiging the economic equality gap... And then a conservative leader always fucks it up by running in screaming "LAISSEZ-FAIRE!!!" and single-handedly destroying all progessive progress...
Free market = FAIL. There's no fucking "invisible hand" to guide the economy. All that happens is the business owners take advantage of a lack of regulation and seek to ruthlessly buy out their competition to establish monopolies and screw over the working class in the process.
Hence why the government NEEDS to step in and regulate the economy by limiting business practices and ensuring equal business oportunity so we don't end up like we are today. Anyone here remember what life was like BEFORE the massive bank mergers, resulting in only a small handful of top-players? You know, when there were small-scale town banks? Back then, if a bank went under, it was small enough that the government could easily pay off the investor insurance. Now a bank goes under, and FUCKKKKKKK!!! LET'S ADD TO THE DEFECIT BY PAYING TO KEEP THE BANKS AFLOAT AND THEN RISK HYPER-INFLATION BY PRINTING MORE MONEY TO INCREASE CONSUMER CONFIDENCE!!!
Yeah. Fucking brilliant.
Socialism at it's core is a brilliant way to regulate an economy. So the upper-class need pay higher taxes. Big whoop. At least they can afford it, unlike the working class that suffers finacially from the establishment of giant corporations, the lack of government regulation in banks and large corporations, and government-induced inflation. When it comes down to it, I'd say it's more important for average Joe to be able to afford to pay his electric bill than for Richie Rich to buy an 8th mansion.
>_>
/rant
i took one look at your avatar and then the content of the post and couldn't stop laughing
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For one, I noted socialism as being negative because it has a negative connotation in this image. The fact that it's plastered under the face of a super villain, no matter how awesome the villain, just makes it seem that the creator of this poster does not think positively of it. The basic construction of the image is associating the word socialism, Obama, and villainy all in one picture.
For two, the idea of capitalism isn't for an invisible hand to guide the economy. It's for all the hands of the consumers of the free market to guide the economy. Each individual contributing to the current that decides what fails and what succeeds, as per the demand of the consumer. At it's core, capitalism is not a brilliant method to maintain a healthy economy. It's like everything else in this world, it has it's downsides and upsides. I'm sure we're all familiar with the downsides at this point (such as monopolies and robber barons), but the upside is that we have liberty and choice.
For three, the idea of socialism is not perfect at it's core. I don't care how many socialism-junkies on the internet tell this to me. It's ridiculous that people can acknowledge that not any one aspect of life is in black and white, yet they come to this issue and treat it that way. There is no perfect system, and that is because we are human. Humans, by nature, are imperfect. Thus, our creations, by nature, are imperfect. We have flaws, lots of them. Just as our machines rarely run at 100% efficiency due to kinks in the system such as friction and other things we all learned in science class, the machine that we know as society will never be perfect. We do not have the privilege of living in a perfect world. We just have to make do with what we have.
That all being said, blaming all your hardships on some stereotypical rich capitalist with frivolous purchasing habits is hardly mature. Making up some scapegoat for you to hate because things are going poorly does not help stop things from going poorly. It merely propagates a stereotype for people to hate, and hate never fixes anything.
1.) So that would make the consumers... DRUMROLL PLEASE...... THE "INVISIBLE HAND." And said hand cannot be trusted because it never guides the economy. It just fluctuates between prosperity and failure. Blame that on people living in a capitalist country. Hell, if people didn't all go into pussy mode and sell like mad when stocks started dropping, the Great Depression wouldn't have been nearly as bad. SAME issue today. No guiding hand, just the bipolar rantings of capitalist consumers. And liberty and choice are only diminished in a socialist system if you consider prohibiting free-market capital-hoarding selfishness an essential freedom that we must fight to protect.
2.) I never claimed socialism was perfect. I merely claimed excellence. OF COURSE no system is perfect. But the fact remains, when choosing between free-market disinterest in regulation and tight regulation of economic affairs, a free market economy is bound to have more negative recessions than a regulated economy.
3.) I don't blame MY problems on capitalists, because at the moment I don't HAVE any problems economically. And I don't hate those that amass wealth. I know firsthand that some are very lovely people. I hate, rather, the officials who allow said wealth to be amassed as such.
In the end, I blame a bad economy and a wide economic gap on lack of regulation. Socialism provides that regulation, hence why I like it.
/rant2
And yeah... 99% of the time, I'm in an "I'LL TOUCH YOUR PENIS" mood... but politics is my one hotbutton issue. Pretty much politics and music are the only things I get serious about.
... Buttsecks timez now plz? <3
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1.) So that would make the consumers... DRUMROLL PLEASE...... THE "INVISIBLE HAND." And said hand cannot be trusted because it never guides the economy.
if the citizens can't be trusted to run something right, then they can't be trusted to keep the government accountable to running something right. governments exist for efficiency, not morality. culture is what establishes morality, if any. what the government does in terms of morality, it does on cultural impulses, and is incapable of being more moral than the culture, or inherently moral.
so, if a culture of people can't be trusted, neither can any form of government they employ.
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Pssssst... I don't trust -most,- not -all- people in consumer affairs. Keep in mind that some people have studied economics and know the dangers of mass buying/selling of stock, making un-payable loans, etc. But keep in mind: Even if people are educated in economics, there will still be some who think selfishly of only their own personal wealth than that of others. Hence why the government needs to REGULATE economic affairs, to essentialy "ban selfish practices."
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Thread getting too serious! Drama levels critical! Emergency maneuvers!
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and that, kids, is why you should never clench during an orgasm