Random Insanity Alliance Forum, Mark V
Cactuar Zone => Random lnsanity => Topic started by: Kenneth Kenstar on January 04, 2012, 09:58:22 pm
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Welp, time to go back to Windows 95
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yeah, 11.10 is FUBAR. Also thinking of moving back to windoze for a bit.
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You should try Linux Mint dude, it's damn good.
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Honestly, it's probably not a bad suggestion because it is an Ubuntu derivative and Debian is a big deal to me.
If I don't use Mint, I'll probably be using fucking Debian. I'm not excited for this.
How's the GNOME 2 desktop for it?
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Clearly you need to use Slackware. Or...dammit, can't remember the name now, knew someone in college who was all over it.
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I am using lubuntu...
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I use Ubuntu @ work. Just to be able to turn up my nose and sniff when windows users ask me how my laptop has such awesome looking stuff. For added effect i like to have a console or two up with a simple ls-l output up, so confuse the heck out of them.
At home i use Win7 on my gaming rig, which is used for nothing productive whatsoever. Apart from shooting zombies in the head.
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Clearly you need to use Slackware. Or...dammit, can't remember the name now, knew someone in college who was all over it.
lmao I love Slackware
But, support for it sucks.
I think you are talking about Slax by the way
I am using lubuntu...
Honestly, this is a viable option for me. I'm a sucker for GNOME 2 though, but that seems honestly really close enough.
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Clearly you need to use Slackware. Or...dammit, can't remember the name now, knew someone in college who was all over it.
lmao I love Slackware
But, support for it sucks.
I think you are talking about Slax by the way
Looked around, it was Arch Linux. We had some..."fun" moments trying to get that working, heh.
Also, all the lab computers ran on openSUSE, that seemed decent.
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What's the point of using anything other than Windows? Genuine question. What about for someone like me who pretty much only uses their computer for browsing the internet? Does the job fine. Is there any point switching to something else?
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What's the point of using anything other than Windows? Genuine question. What about for someone like me who pretty much only uses their computer for browsing the internet? Does the job fine. Is there any point switching to something else?
I literally believe that people who use a computer for just browsing the web are perfect for a bread-and-butter home Linux distros like Ubuntu.
Things that Linux in general does that Windows doesn't for this type of crowd:
- All programs, libraries, and the core aspects of the OS, update through the same source.
On windows, 3rd party background applications typically do this; Chrome, Flash, Java, etc...only Microsoft applications receive updates through Windows Update. So, vanilla installs of programs that people who just web browse use leave a bunch of junk background applications running at all times. In general, there is a lack of any kind of synchronicity in updating programs in Windows.
Updates to your web browser, flash, and java are typically pretty important, too. Their tendency to be annoying during updates discourages users from keeping their shit up to date and making them more prone to some sort of exploit.
You also have a lot of options to the kinds of updates you can receive. You can have security patches applied immediately upon release and set other types of updates to be downloaded automatically, but applied only when you want them to.
- You don't have to Google for drivers like a fucking peasant
This was a bitch ages ago, but setting up a new device on Linux is a breeze usually. The drawback is there is still a lot of hardware that is not supported out of the box, but everything a general web browsing cat would use is definitely supported. Even if support for the devices doesn't exist, you can bet money on some guy out there writing a hack method and guide to follow.
- You have a pretty good idea what's on your computer.
Hopefully this doesn't change (and there are a couple exceptions), but stupid bullshit isn't installed along with your programs. No dumb toolbars, no dumb adware.
I tend to find the Windows desktop itself more stable, but with Linux, even if the desktop becomes unstable and crashes, there is a very good chance I can fix it without rebooting the computer.
New Linux users typically have trouble because they are still in the Windows mindset and will go to NVIDIA's website and download NVIDIA's drivers and try to double click on things. Even the guys who do know what they are doing and go to NVIDIA's website for drivers aren't double clicking on anything to get them to work.
I'll just go out and say it. Linux is simple compared to Windows.
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I'll just go out and say it. Linux is simple compared to Windows.
I wouldn't quite go that far. I would say it can be simple compared to Windows, but certainly not in every aspect.
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GNOME 2 on Mint 11 is fine. I use it as my main operating system and use windows 7 for gaming.
GNOME 3 is fucking useless, but I know you know that already.
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I'll just go out and say it. Linux is simple compared to Windows.
I wouldn't quite go that far. I would say it can be simple compared to Windows, but certainly not in every aspect.
It's pretty obvious you haven't read my new book yet
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Anyone who thinks Windows is better than Linux is literally just acustom it. It's fine, if you're used to a bicycle with square wheels and built up an immunity to caring, go right ahead. You can keep on chugging. But for people who know just how damn good Linux is, well, you'll know why we want to tear our eyes out when we're stuck with it.
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first things first.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org)
http://tuxradar.com/content/how-compile-linux-kernel (http://tuxradar.com/content/how-compile-linux-kernel)
next up.
- You don't have to Google for drivers like a fucking peasant
This was a bitch ages ago, but setting up a new device on Linux is a breeze usually. The drawback is there is still a lot of hardware that is not supported out of the box, but everything a general web browsing cat would use is definitely supported. Even if support for the devices doesn't exist, you can bet money on some guy out there writing a hack method and guide to follow.
I'll just go out and say it. Linux is simple compared to Windows.
these things, they made me laugh. "'you just have to type 'yum update nvidia' (or apt get or whatever your distro decided) unless you cant, then you have to do the opposite of what my point was." which, btw if you have the latest and greatest hardware you can bet you don't get a driver for a month. i had a $200 sound card, i had to cheat and get half support by force installing incorrect sound drivers for devices that had the same number of outputs and the same sound chip. it worked eventually... kind of...
http://cleansofts.org/view/update-notifier.html (http://cleansofts.org/view/update-notifier.html) << have yet to try it but i assume they have the normal programs covered.
Please explain to me (a person who is fairly computer competent and has used Linux as my only OS for several months) what exactly you can do with Linux that you cant do on windows.
also, i found a picture of you linux server admins.
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first things first.
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org (http://www.linuxfromscratch.org)
http://tuxradar.com/content/how-compile-linux-kernel (http://tuxradar.com/content/how-compile-linux-kernel)
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next up.
- You don't have to Google for drivers like a fucking peasant
This was a bitch ages ago, but setting up a new device on Linux is a breeze usually. The drawback is there is still a lot of hardware that is not supported out of the box, but everything a general web browsing cat would use is definitely supported. Even if support for the devices doesn't exist, you can bet money on some guy out there writing a hack method and guide to follow.
I'll just go out and say it. Linux is simple compared to Windows.
these things, they made me laugh. "'you just have to type 'yum update nvidia' (or apt get or whatever your distro decided) unless you cant, then you have to do the opposite of what my point was." which, btw if you have the latest and greatest hardware you can bet you don't get a driver for a month. i had a $200 sound card, i had to cheat and get half support by force installing incorrect sound drivers for devices that had the same number of outputs and the same sound chip. it worked eventually... kind of...
Maybe in 2004.
What kind of sound card was it? That sounds weird.
Linux and sound was kinda a huge bitch until Pulseaudio came around. That created it's own problems, but stuff that supports it works just fine. Never had problems with it like OSS and ALSA.
I will say ATI support definitely sucks dick, but NVIDIA works great even with the open source drivers. Intel video works completely fine, too.
It's only installing the proprietary drivers that takes work. And, depending on the distro, that could be some yum install bullshit, like Ubuntu where for the past two-three years, there is a tool that allows you to install proprietary drivers for hardware it supports.
http://cleansofts.org/view/update-notifier.html (http://cleansofts.org/view/update-notifier.html) << have yet to try it but i assume they have the normal programs covered.
for Vista you need Administrator rights
run in background
scan selected stand-alone software
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Please explain to me (a person who is fairly computer competent and has used Linux as my only OS for several months) what exactly you can do with Linux that you cant do on windows.
What you call an operating system, I call
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You have like 10 different options for a decent desktop GUI and if you feel like exploring some crazy shit, you could try other people's one man, two man swings at a window manager.
I have a bunch of keyboard shortcuts. I use the Windows key for most of them.
Super Key - N, Inverts a Windows colors. Useful for turning a black window white and vice versa. Whatever feels better on eyes. Never seen a way to do this in Windows.
Super Key - M, inverts the entire screen. If you use magnifying glass, you can invert the screen. While using magnifying glass.
Super Key - Mouse Scroll changes the transparency of a window. So, I can watch videos through my web browser. You can do this on Windows if you love installing crap.
I can set a window to stay on top of all other windows no matter what. Can't do this with vanilla Windows. I'm sure if you install crap you can do this.
I can shade a window, set it on top, and unshade the window when my mouse is over it to read what's on it.
There is a terminal-based command for literally everything. Like, I can pipe my webcam from SSH into a media player of my choice. Record sounds and email them somewhere on a regular basis.
SSH is literally the standard for remote management and is supported by everything that matters that deals with file transferring and terminal programs.
But man, I can list a bunch of shit, but it's just going to be shit I like about it. It's just what I'm comfortable with.
Or maybe I'm an edgy fucktard.
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By the way, I'm speaking generally about desktop Linux OSystems.
In fact, let's just stop saying Linux because it's complicated
I'm talking about Ubuntu and other Debian derivatives that aren't Debian.
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i declair myself the loser in this debate. windows can never do this
http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml (http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml)
EDIT: i take it all back. its a draw
also aplyes to Ubuntu or any other linux distribution out there.
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Sadly, have not been able to do this since XP. :(
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Clearly you need to use Slackware. Or...dammit, can't remember the name now, knew someone in college who was all over it.
lmao I love Slackware
But, support for it sucks.
I think you are talking about Slax by the way
I am using lubuntu...
Honestly, this is a viable option for me. I'm a sucker for GNOME 2 though, but that seems honestly really close enough.
I am not missing anything on this- and after all if you like a top panel stick it to the top. not much change in icons either.