Thoughts on suicide?

[bioakky]

Personally, I'll take my hope even if there is no God, because I do not suffer if I am wrong.

Borderline agnostic right there.

[invincible13matt]

how so? My understanding was that agnostics believe that God is out there but can't be reached. I was merely making the point that if my beliefs are incorrect and an atheist's is, then I don't take a penalty for being wrong, while the other way around (I'm right and the atheist's wrong) the atheist ends up in hell.

[bioakky]

Agnostic is pretty much, "I'll wait until death to find out. Until then, I'll live well."

[invincible13matt]

I'm nothing like that. I must admit that sometimes I doubt my God, but then he proves himself. I don't wait till I die to find out. I already have. I'm nowhere near agnostic. My point was simply this: the atheist being right has no effect on me even though I was wrong, but the reverse is not the same.

[wethepeople]

I never do doubt God, but I doubt his motives or actions. Then I listen to a good song or a motivational lesson, or informing lesson about the works of God, then that feeling of mine goes away quick.

[Shyox]

I never do doubt God, but I doubt his motives or actions. Then I listen to a good song or a motivational lesson, or informing lesson about the works of God, then that feeling of mine goes away quick.

That's called brainwashing, and tricking yourself into something your mind knows that is silly anyways.

[invincible13matt]

not necessarily silly, just something it doesn't (and shouldn't) understand

[wethepeople]

Wow Shy, please, step down a notch. -_- I'm not brainwashed, crap dude. I don't even feel like responding to that.

Because I sometimes loose my way, or wonder what God's going to do with me, and I use people who know or talk to people who care, I'm brainwashed? Because I need some motivation, or loose track of what God wants me to do, I'm brainwashing myself? You sound like everyone in the Christian religion is an ignorant, self absorbed damn executioner. Everyone is brainwashed this or stupid that, thats not true. Get off your high horse man, just because I motivate myself doesn't mean anyone I listen to, or anything I tell myself, is brainwashing.

[bioakky]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

[invincible13matt]

what you may perceive as lies may be truth... but I cannot change your opinion, it seems.

[Shyox]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

I dislike a good part of the Christian religion, so that's not really wrong.

I'm sorry wtp, but... Well, you basically are one of the people who made me become afraid enough of God to believe in the religion. Southern Baptists.

Wtp, I just don't think you can quite understand what it's like, honestly. I'm sure you've had your own trials with religion, and I'm sayingmine have been worse, just different.

[Shyox]

Also, I don't think that God is all-powerful, for another thing.

[bioakky]

made me become afraid enough of God to believe in the religion.

Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God anyone?

[wethepeople]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

Prove they're lies, please.

[wethepeople]

Also, I don't think that God is all-powerful, for another thing.

If he isn't, then people could go back on his plans/Change them, or just ignore him. All of which are impossible.

[wethepeople]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

I dislike a good part of the Christian religion, so that's not really wrong.

I'm sorry wtp, but... Well, you basically are one of the people who made me become afraid enough of God to believe in the religion. Southern Baptists.

Wtp, I just don't think you can quite understand what it's like, honestly. I'm sure you've had your own trials with religion, and I'm sayingmine have been worse, just different.

Unless you aren't being literal, I live on the East. My beliefs are that we should follow Jesus in our life, and try to walk with him. To uphold his ministry, and to try and be the best Christians we can. Sorry I'm scary.

Please, just because I'm Christian, don't assume I've had a cloud 9 life.

[bioakky]

Also, I don't think that God is all-powerful, for another thing.

If he isn't, then people could go back on his plans/Change them, or just ignore him. All of which are impossible.

...you just said you have no free will.

[bioakky]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

Prove they're lies, please.

Just wait for your death.

[wethepeople]

No, I didn't. I said we cannot erase God, or remove him. We cannot leave him out of the equation, he is all powerful and all knowing. We cannot ignore his plans, or not hear them. But we have the choice to accept them or not.

[wethepeople]

He's saying you're brainwashed because you're believing lies...Lies that a god exists/existed/whatever and that Jesus is whoamgallpowerfulblahblah, and all that.

Not whatever you just said.

>_> Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, Shy. *fkees your wrath*

Prove they're lies, please.

Just wait for your death.

When death arrives, I'll see my savior. So, yeah, that doesn't help. Prove to me that God doesn't exist, what I believe in is lies, etc.