Thoughts on suicide?

[Azural]

I never said life is all hell without God. God is blessing you Shy. He's not going to cast you to the dogs if you don't believe.

So then, what do you call going to hell because you don't believe in god?

[invincible13matt]

I will admit, some, if not many, "Christians" carry on quite the charade. Some I would recommend for a career in acting.

Also, I think that you do not want to put your faith in the Lord because you don't understand why he would cause so much death. He would rather not, for he is a God of love. And yet, many choose to overlook the fact that he is also a God of Justice, and he must punish those who do evil. That is why the endtimes will be so bad, because his wrath will be turned on full force. This is nothing.

And just because you leave Christianity doesn't mean your life will go downhill. In fact, it probably would be opposite. Jesus guarantees that those who follow him will suffer, for we follow him and the world hated him first.

Why would God create us? No one can quite know. It's not worth debating, just be thankful he did. It's another one of those things about him that we cannot wrap our tiny minds around. We just don't understand it. Personally, I don't want to understand it. Why? Because that would mean that his intellectual capacity is at our level.

[invincible13matt]

I never said life is all hell without God. God is blessing you Shy. He's not going to cast you to the dogs if you don't believe.

So then, what do you call going to hell because you don't believe in god?

Someone once explained it to me like this: "If an unholy man stood in the presence of God without the power of Jesus to protect him from God's holy power, and if the lake of fire was a hundred yards away, the man would run as fast as he possibly could and fling himself into the lake."

[Azural]

Are you telling me that an athiest will go to hell on his own free will?

[Ravaged]

that would be a fine wake up call, being sent to a place you don't believe in...

[invincible13matt]

Are you telling me that an athiest will go to hell on his own free will?

EVERYONE goes to hell on their own free will. The Bible says that God's creation declares his very existence. If you don't believe in him, it's not for the lack of his trying.

And yes, that would be quite the wake-up call.

[bioakky]

I think you missed the fact that one cannot go to place which does not exist. (Unless by some force of science [note: NOT religion] that we do not yet understand.)

You also missed Ravaged's sarcasm.

[wethepeople]

I never said life is all hell without God. God is blessing you Shy. He's not going to cast you to the dogs if you don't believe.

So then, what do you call going to hell because you don't believe in god?

I call that not believing in God? That person going to Hell chose not to live with God all their life. Thats what that is to me.

[Azural]

But even if someone would (obvously) prefer to go to heaven then hell, if they don't believe in it, they still go to hell.

It's not an option.  People don't make themselves believe something that they don't believe.

It doesn't matter how much you would like to go to heaven, if you can't get yourself to believe in it, then you can't go.


That's got to be one of the most self-centered things that I've ever heard.

'If you don't beleive in me and accept my son as your savior, you're fucked.  I don't care how good of a person you are or what you do in your life.  However, if you murder 50 people in a airport, then accept my son as your savior while you're in prison, you're welcome to come to heaven with me.'

Fuck that.

[ace of spades]

...wow when did this topic go into a religious debate?

[wethepeople]

Honestly, Azural, you have a completely warped view of salvation. Salvation is for anyone. Jesus died for us, for /all/ our sins. If a man kills 10000 people, pillages 100 villages, and kills his family, then bows his knee to Christ, and accepts him, he is saved. Sin, and redemption. It shows how incredible God is, that he will forgive you, and love you no matter what. His love is unconditional. But if you are too caught up in facts or science or literal proof all your life, and never try to live for him in the first place, you will go to hell. Since you never really cared to find God anyway, see? Thats not his fault, or a problem or a wrong doing for God, its the person's choice. If you're the best person in the world, give money left and right, make peoples lives great, you're not worrying about salvation. You can't be good enough to go to God, except through his son. The fact would most likely be right in front of the guy's face, and he never followed Jesus or applied his love to his already good life.

[bioakky]

Let's assume for a moment that God and heaven does exist...but only for a moment.

So if I go and bring the world to perfect utopia (without bringing to fruition my dreams/plans of destroying all religion), and kill no one or commit no "sins," and then die one year later (still "sin"less), I would not deserve to go to heaven?

ox. Shit.

Of course, that would be assuming God or heaven existed...and that assumption is officially over.

[wethepeople]

You can't not sin, Bio. So really, that doesn't help. If you sin once, we are hopeless. But through Christ, we are saved. What on /earth/ is so hard about that? Have you tried God, have you ever shut up your head about pure facts or second thoughts, and just tried to walk with Jesus? Tried to get to know him?

[Shyox]

You can't not sin, Bio. So really, that doesn't help. If you sin once, we are hopeless. But through Christ, we are saved. What on /earth/ is so hard about that? Have you tried God, have you ever shut up your head about pure facts or second thoughts, and just tried to walk with Jesus? Tried to get to know him?

Shut my head, as in attempted to remain ignorant of all rational thoughts and ideas, then no, never tried and never going to.

Honestly, Azural, you have a completely warped view of salvation. Salvation is for anyone. Jesus died for us, for /all/ our sins. If a man kills 10000 people, pillages 100 villages, and kills his family, then bows his knee to Christ, and accepts him, he is saved. Sin, and redemption. It shows how incredible God is, that he will forgive you, and love you no matter what. His love is unconditional. But if you are too caught up in facts or science or literal proof all your life, and never try to live for him in the first place, you will go to hell. Since you never really cared to find God anyway, see? Thats not his fault, or a problem or a wrong doing for God, its the person's choice. If you're the best person in the world, give money left and right, make peoples lives great, you're not worrying about salvation. You can't be good enough to go to God, except through his son. The fact would most likely be right in front of the guy's face, and he never followed Jesus or applied his love to his already good life.

... You just reiterated EXACTLY what he was talking about.

[Reoga]

Bible THUMP

[bioakky]

I can't walk with and/or get to know a non-existent idea.

[Reoga]

yea I just like waching them yell at each other:)

[invincible13matt]

you know, I pity all of you who do not believe. I really do. And that's hard for me, because I am a rather sadistic personality. One of my many flaws. But I pity! You who do not believe in God have no hope. After you die, there is nothing but darkness. Eternal darkness. And then, the world will be destroyed and all of your achievements will be for naught. No hope there. Personally, I'll take my hope even if there is no God, because I do not suffer if I am wrong. But if you are wrong... I shudder to think of the pain you will endure.

Azural, "For ALL (emphasis mine) have sinned an fallen short of the glory of God." That means anyone. "For any who is guilty of one is guilty of all." So essentially, you break one commandment, you are guilty of breaking them all. Theoretically, if one man never sinned, never did wrong, perfectly followed all of God's commandments, yes, he would go to Heaven, but it's impossible to not sin. Hence why we need a savior.

"For our acts of righteousness are like filthy rags to the Lord."

[bioakky]

invincible...why are you here preaching to us if you're agnostic? -_-

I welcome darkness; in fact, I crave it. I need the sweet release of death. But I'm a wimp, and won't go through with suicide.

[invincible13matt]

I'm not agnostic. What gave you that idea?