Paradox Check!

[KingRanter]

"I have a higher self-esteem than I give myself credit for"

thats a paradox right? doesn't that sentence seem to prove itself wrong?

[Pterrydactyl]

no.

[Flask]

Yes, it is a paradox.

But then again, I always lie.

[Preventer Wind]

[Pterrydactyl]

IGNORE THIS POST

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[KingRanter]

*ignores*

[KingRanter]

anyways, its like, the way i see it, "I have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for"

its like, I have high self esteem, but i dont think i have self esteem, because I have low self esteem. from perspective. kinda works against the statement on its own.

[Flask]

IGNORE THIS POST

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That is a paradox.

[Jadyn]

...or maybe just arrogant.

[KingRanter]

i dont get it
how is it a paradox

i dont get it >.<

[Flask]

He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.

[the infamous]

He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.

Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.

[Flask]

He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.

Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.

Your face is a self-defeating prophecy.

[KingRanter]

so is my phrase a self defeating prophecy? or is it an actual paradox

[the infamous]

so is my phrase a self defeating prophecy? or is it an actual paradox

A paradox is an inherent self-propagating contradiction - "I am always lying" for example.

"I have a higher self-esteem than I give myself credit for" is certainly a contradiction, but it's not self-propagating, it's self defeating - once you have raised your self-esteem to the level you give youtself credit for (or gave), there is no inherent continuation. Hence, self-defeating prophecy/command, not a paradox.

[crazyisraelie]

Yes, it is a paradox.

But then again, I always lie.

PARaDOx!1!!1one!!!1

[Arsenal 10]

He said to ignore the post, but you have to read the post and understand it to ignore it, which is already impossible.

Technically, that's not a paradox, it's a self-defeating prophecy or command.

Your face is a self-defeating prophecy.

This made me laugh.

[KingRanter]

but it isnt "I have higher self esteem than i gave myself credit for" its "I have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for"

notice the difference, its give not gave, therefore its present tense, and to me its saying that i have low self esteem, but i have higher self esteem than i give myself credit for because i have low self esteem, but its self defeating because if i supposedly have low self esteem i wouldnt be saying how i have high self esteem. if you understand that. cause i read it over and i got a bit confused.

[the infamous]

Ah, but that's not a contemporal but a contiguous present - the give in that sentence doesn't operate like you think it does. For it to throw up that temporal paradox, it would have to be "I have higher self-esteem than I am giving myself credit for", as that is an immediate, contemporal present. Even then, I'm still not sure it's a paradox, because it itself is not continuous - it might be temporarily a contradiction, but once you have raised either your esteem or your expectation/assessment of your esteem to match, then the contradiction ceases. Contrast with "I am always lying" where the universal quantifier always creates a genuine self-propagating contradiction, and therefore a paradox. See the difference?