overheard at lunch

[Prince Tomb]

Thats a possibility, Tomb. Anything is possible really. -Shrug-

There is a version... not a version i believe in mind you but one that has facts that COULD  be true if you really stretch your imagination.

In this version there were 3 brothers(yes male so already a point against this version) born all at the same time named Allah, God, and Lucifer. These 3 were to created and watched over all. God however became obsessed w/ being the best of the three and cast his greatest rival, Lucifer to watch over Hell (which i do also do not believe is as evil as Christians believe) and then turned his attention to the last brother, Allah.

Like i said not a version i believe but certainly an interesting look at religion

[wethepeople]

God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.

Yeah. Right hand men find out about their partners feelings and secrets. Luficer blew the big one when he saw the light of God. That he was both good, and evil.
I know that. And humans are as important as animals, dude. But different arguement right there. Just because we have free will doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong.

[Joker]

I'm not arguing with you, Joker, even though you seem to want to. I'm stating my opinion, and nothing more.

Opinions are not inviolate like some people think, and if you have ones people disagree with, especially if they aren't very solid ones, expect people to argue against them.

And C-Zom I'm not quite sure what you got out of my post...so...I don't know if you want to rephrase your post in response to mine, or what. But for the rest of the topic...well, let's just say I don't really have the patience to wade into debates and discussions that have already been going on for a while without me.  

[Reoga]

Beer is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy.
Ben franklen.

[pielord47]

and who praytell birthed these people?

[Prince Tomb]

BTW the Free Masons(yes they exist even today) believed that Lucifer is not Gods creation but his brother, twin to be exact and neither is wholely evil or good.

This is more wat i believe

[pielord47]

even if God does do something that creates something wrong, he fixes it
and he always will

[dark tyrant]

God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.

YO NUTJOB!!! I"M TALKING TO YOU!!!

WHEN THE HELL AM I GOING TO GET MY REPLACEMNT RELIGOUS WACKO SENSOR!!!

[pielord47]

you aren't

[Prince Tomb]

and who praytell birthed these people?

the tale does not tell but who created God?

[wethepeople]

even if God does do something that creates something wrong, he fixes it
and he always will

Thats opinion, again. You can't prove God will fix everything. You can't prove anyone will come back, or that we'll be saved. Just because a book says so doesn't mean its right. =/

[wethepeople]

Pie, Tomb is talking about the story, he said multiple times he doesn't believe it. Its just an interesting theory.

[pielord47]

hmm... let's think about this...
all-powerful deity
does he really need a reason?
he is all-powerful
and if there was no God there would be no anything

[Prince Tomb]

you aren't

more proof that Christians have warped the image of Lucifer

[Prince Tomb]

hmm... let's think about this...
all-powerful deity
does he really need a reason?
he is all-powerful
and if there was no God there would be no anything

*cough* Big Bang

[dark tyrant]

you aren't

...Wait a sec didn't the bible say "Do unto others."? How would you like it if I broke something of yours and didn't replace it?

[Castille]

God created Lucifer to be his right hand kinda guy.
God lets us do things because he wants us to make our own choices. This is why we can talk and think unlike dogs and cats.
God does not kill directly. And plus since he is perfect anything he does isn't a sin.

Base on the bible and the story of adam and eve this is not true god did not want us to make our own decisions, adam and eve were created without the knowledge of good and evil which is the same as the ability to reason and thus the ability to sin, he did not want them to take from then tree they did and thus took that right which was not given to them by god, also just to defend women eve did not commit a sin in that story, sin requires knowledge of evil and knowing u are doing something wrong b4 eating the tree she did not have the knowledge of evil and thus did not sin thats a christian spin on the story

and the old testament defiantly supports wethepeople the god of the old testament is whinny and bitchy and makes mistakes

[pielord47]

Thats opinion, again. You can't prove God will fix everything. You can't prove anyone will come back, or that we'll be saved. Just because a book says so doesn't mean its right. =/

wrong. First off, it is 66 books. Second off, it was written by a lot of writers who were told by God what to write. The Bible is historically acurate also. Historians have looked in the Bible. Bible says town here. They look. Town's there. Bible says king was here. They look. Oh, here is the tomb of that king.

[wethepeople]

Right, he's the boss of the world and so he doesn't need reason...?

I just lost interest in this debate. Good game, comrades.

[invincible13matt]

Just the sheer fact that we're asking a "why" question that we cannot reasonably answer is one of the reasons I believe in the Judeo-Christian God, and, ergo, Christianity. The fact that we can't answer the question means that we cannot begin to fathom God's reasoning, and I don't want to fathom God's reasoning. If I do, that means that I understand him. If I understand him, that puts him on my level. I would not like to be able to think that the wielder of infinite power has a level of intellectual ability equivalent to mine.

Second, the fact of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The Bible says that Christ was raised from the dead, and it has been proved an immensely reliable source throughout time. Because of this (and the failure of several theories to disprove the occurrence of such an event) I must believe the Bible entirely. Actually, a formerly atheist Oxford scholar once said that he wished more people would try to disprove the resurrection (which, coincidentally, if you can, you can destroy Christianity) because then there would be many more true Christians.

This is my reasoning for believing as I do, and I attempt to live as closely to the Bible as possible. I fail constantly.

A lot of the complaints about Christians come about the fakers, those who just want to use the Bible as an excuse. Please do not take me for one of those who fake, as I really do attempt to live as closely to the true Scriptures as possible. If I am wrong, I try to change. This is true Christianity, and we will not know the true Christians until the Rapture occurs, if it occurs in our lifetimes, or until we die, and are faced down by the almighty.