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Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« on: October 23, 2012, 12:29:55 am »
This is the first of my Alternate History series here on RIA. Here is the question: What if Russia did not sell Alaska? Assuming everything was still the same in the world before this, what do you all think would happen?

I'm curious... :)
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 01:18:19 am »
The world would not have been graced by the majestic mind that is Sarah Palin. There is no way Mr Putin would of put up with her nonsense.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 01:25:38 am »
russia would have won the cold war.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 02:07:36 am »
^What Mogar said. The fact that Russia would have been able to set up missile silos in Alaska which would have been able to easily strike the west coast would have pressured the US into being much more careful with their demands. In addition, we would not have access to that vast reserve of oil and other resources, greatly hurting the US in the long term.


Also, we're doing your homework now, aren't we?


EDIT: Forgot to mention that the US policy of forcing democracy in nations with socialist governments may not have been as "effective." So on the one hand, we may have ended up with no Vietnam war, but on the other, you all may have ended up with no Leo.....








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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 03:47:30 am »
My answer is better.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 01:01:27 pm »
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 10:32:54 pm »
@Arsenal 10: Oh damn, thats right... We wouldn't have Sarah Palin. Personally, I don't think she was ready for politics anyways.

@Mogar: That would not be good.

@Leo: That would have sucked... I personally think that Either the US or Canada would have snatched up Alaska during Russia's revolution or Russia's old pre-revolution government would have relocated there creating a Russian version of the Taiwan situation in China. And noooooo. this is not my homework. I have a history class, but we are at world war I right now. :P

@fAILiurestrategist: Yes. Yes it would. :)
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 11:09:56 pm »
Personally, I don't think she was ready for politics anyways.
That's probably the nicest thing anyone has ever said about her. Most people just say she is a dumb bitch.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2012, 12:27:07 am »
Personally, I don't think she was ready for politics anyways.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2012, 01:55:51 am »
I'm going to download hearts of iron now and set up a scenario for this.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2012, 03:01:03 am »
If Russia didn't sell Alaska, they would have gone bankrupt.  As a result, the Communist revolution would probably have been precluded by an unsuccessful peasant revolt, and their ranks culled before Marx got across to the Russia intelligentsia. 

The Tsar would have been in a stronger position vs his people during WWI, and sustained the war to the end rather that folding in 1917.  The Allies would not have had to offer Germany terms, and WWI would indeed have been the war to end wars, and had no sequel.  Russia would have acquired German industrial knowhow, and industrialised more gradually, while Germany would have been de-industrialised in order to maintain a balance of power. 

Great Britain and Russia would have continued their close association, and pretty much run Europe and most of Asia.  The US' isolation would have continued for decades, and they would have had no presence in Europe, no atom bomb, and no cold war.  Britain would be running the show, and would not have been forced by Lend-Lease to give up it's colonies.

Llamavore, can you please take up where I left off and give this subject the cerebral input it deserves.  Leo is making it about himself again...
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2012, 02:41:51 pm »
In Soviet Alaska, Deadliest Catch Catches You


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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2012, 06:04:20 pm »
I'm going to download hearts of iron now and set up a scenario for this.
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2012, 02:00:10 am »
In Soviet Alaska, Deadliest Catch Catches You

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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2012, 12:49:36 am »
@Arsenal 10: That's because I'm nice. Everyone knows that *scoffs conceitedly* :P
No, but seriously, people don't know the truth about her. She wasn't ready.

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@GrilledSlug (1st): What an interesting scenario. Now explain this to me, do YOU think in THIS scenario the United States, Britain, and Japan would have high living standards comparable to today? Would Russia be higher than us? Would Europe and Australia (and New Zealand) still have high standards of living? And finally, would technology progress to the point we have today?? :)

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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2012, 03:59:58 am »
you are having us do your homework aren't you


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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2012, 03:44:32 am »
Also, we're doing your homework now, aren't we?
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2012, 06:31:18 am »
Also, we're doing your homework now, aren't we?
you are having us do your homework aren't you
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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2012, 06:33:14 am »
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Aren't we doing your homework for you now that you are having us do for you now? Are you not?


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Re: Alternate History #1: What if Russia did not sell Alaska?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2012, 07:33:43 am »
Obviously she is having us do her homework, but it is an interesting subject.

United States, Britain, and Japan would have high living standards comparable to today?

Yes.  But their debt ratios would be better off, because instead of WWII, the global crisis would be pushed back to 1966, and take the form of US support for other British colonies who want to repatriate their constitutions and chart their own course.  As a result of the global conflagaration, which lasts until 1971, the baby boom happens a generation later.  The early 1990's become the equivalent of the late 1960's, and a generation of hoppies (instead of the familiar hippies in this universe) choose extasy instead of acid and weed as a way to open their minds - their movement involves a lot of hair brushing and touching things with their finger tips instead of the 'cerebral' nonsense of our own hippies.  World population works out to be about the same, driving similar economics, but India remains part of the British Empire, as the limeys brand Ghandi as a 'peace terrorist', and put down potential rebellion without provoking global indignation but slaughtering cows every time there is trouble.  Clever toothless islanders.


Would Russia be higher than us?

Given all the extasy going around in the west, I would have to say no.  In fact, it is very hard to get your hands on anything in Russia.  The Czar, Emperor Vladimir Putin, runs the place like he owns it, arbitrarily arresting people for criticizing him.  Russians themselves accept things as they are, roundly agreeing that they need a 'strongman' like him as the leader.  He makes forrays into capitalism, and lets a few businessmen make a fortune and grow in power until he changes his mind, and strips them of everything they have and puts them in jail on trumped up charges.  He goes hunting, and has a national magazine photographer take shirtless sexy photos of him to attract courtesans from Chiang-Kai-Shek III court to his lair. 

Would Europe and Australia (and New Zealand) still have high standards of living?

Europe would not - internecine violence and old money make poor bedfellows.  The EU does not rise, and with Germany rendered an agrarian wasteland, France, the UK, Italy, and Spain vie for dominance.  Other powers are content to let the Europeans continue to divide and rule themselves.

Australia still has high standards of living, but is under pressure from Greater China, which, following a more agressive interpretation of the '3 island-chain' strategy, has outright conquered Korea, Vietnam, as well as key islands from Malaysia and Indonesia, where they are able to leverage a large Chinese ethnic population.  Australia therefore spends an inordinate amount of its GDP on its navy, and works with the US to contain Chinese imperial ambitions.  New Zealand, as always, is given only a nodding acknowledgment of being on the same planet.

And finally, would technology progress to the point we have today??

No.  Without the pressure of a cataclysmic war in Europe, and the extermination of the Jewish population, a young Albert Einstein does not emigrate to the US in 1933, and instead follows in his father's footsteps, and becomes an accomplished electrical engineer.  There would be no Mahattan Project anyway, as there is no WWII, and no V2 (Braun goes into rockets, but without the funding of a major war, instead builds a model rocket empire and fireworks factory), so the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs never take place, leaving us a world without Teflon.

One last thing - Kennedy doesn't get shot, but nor does he get elected due to a simple prejudice.  In this universe, 'chowda' is a colloquial term for blowjob.  When he invites his opponent, Nixon, to a clam chowder lunch, Nixon, every the Machiavellian, twist the invitation into a public outrage, and activates the Catholic vote outside the Boston area.  He win the election, and America prospers.  The Dead Kennedys go with and alternate name, the Mellow Muffins, and fail to attract the scorn of Tipper Gore.

 


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