real shame about that last debate

[Kenneth Kenstar]

trump had such a handle on things before that

[—-]

She literally shat on all of Queens. I mean, how can we elect someone who disrespects the best borough of the only city that matters.

[Fake from State Jarm]

She literally shat on all of Queens. I mean, how can we elect someone who disrespects the best borough of the only city that matters.

yeah I noticed that.

at this point idk what to think of them. the blaming Russia stuff is bs. idk how it would be in Russia's interest to clearly align with Trump unless they want him to lose. they know they aren't popular here. maybe they want Clinton to win because she'll continue the trend of bad foreign policy.

I'm just waiting to see if there's anything solid about the accusations on trump. and slowly reading up on them. I really didn't like how Clinton kept sidestepping questions about corruption. plastic non-answers.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

Trump's controversies are pretty much like the 3 stooges. They are all running out the door at the same time and getting stuck in the doorway. Nobody has time to process or even talk about this shit. Most people don't know that he maintains a non profit foundation of his own, Trump Foundation, and he has been using it to pay his debts and fines.

I've been talking to 80+ year olds whenever I get the chance and I ask them if they have ever seen anything like this and they quickly say no.

[Leo]

...the only city that matters.

Istanbul?

[Fake from State Jarm]

Most people don't know that he maintains a non profit foundation of his own, Trump Foundation, and he has been using it to pay his debts and fines.

I heard about that. if you have any non partisan articles on it, link plz

[Fake from State Jarm]

It really annoys me though that people get so offended at him saying his female accusers aren't attractive and he will sue them.

No one imagines the possibility that they are lying. If a bunch of women tried to torpedo your career with false allegations, you would get mad. You would want to sue for defamation so you can't be bullied. You might even talk shit.

I don't know if they're lying, it could be true or partly true. But the assumption that it's true and therefore Trump must be a complete gentlemen to his accusers speaks volumes about how the new fake equality works.

I guarantee if you ever get your life wrecked by a woman lying and the courts siding with her b/c of their feminist whiteknightism, you will have a revelation about how fake it all is.

[—-]

Aaaghh no no no how do you defend Trump's views on women and the very real potential validity in the claims when there's countless video and recordings of him... saying really... beyond shit things. Not just one source, but... countless. And his own tweets that he hasn't deleted.

Though to be honest, you do bring up an equally valid point of being on the offensive if someone was attacking your career. That's interesting and true, and sort of humanizing, but oh man I can't get past all the shit he has said. But to be fair, his VP would have EXTREMELY negative impacts on me personally if elected so I'm more critical than most I suppose.

[Fake from State Jarm]

did I defend his views?

I just think the fear of sexism is about as dangerous as the real sexism. It can become a sort of vindictive copy of the original problem.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

It really annoys me though that people get so offended at him saying his female accusers aren't attractive and he will sue them.

Donald is a fucking weird creep. The type of creep that women whisper about when he walks by. "Don't take drinks from him." "Don't get in cars with him." Yes - people get offended when this type of person sums up their entire person as not attractive. Of all the strange shit this election has brought, the fact that an actual presidential candidate can have this rocky of a relationship with women, a demographic making up more than 50% of the country, blows my mind.

He can not stop himself from commenting on the looks of every single woman he addresses. How he relates to woman is strictly how they look and how they feel about him. And that's it.

The only time you'll hear him say more than if he is attracted to a woman or not, is when he gets into his meltys at a woman. Megyn Kelly pressed him on a question and he had a huge fucking melty about that. "Maybe" accused her of being on her period and then denying it. He even dodged the next Fox debate because he was still in mid-melty over Megyn Kelly.

He's like a weird, creepy Larry David that isn't funny.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYAGyZlBY0" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYAGyZlBY0</a>

And given his long history at having meltys at people who disagreed with him, Hillary Clinton set him the fuck up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIkwxyf_dj4

I'm not kidding around at all with this next statement. I'm 100% positive that his campaign staff took and hid his phone from him against his will after the debate. It took days of Trump digging around in Trump tower for that damn thing, but, sure enough, he found it at fucking 3AM Friday morning and immediately releases a big fucking melty on twitter about how Alicia Machado is ugly, a liar, and that she has sex tapes.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/trump-overnight-media-tweets/

This happened, llamavore. He had a melty on Twitter at 3am about this and it made the news. Hillary Clinton set him up and he just sat there shaking for days about it and took the bait anyway. This guy wants to be President, llamavore, he is running for President. Anyone else would have just tried to move on from it, but he could not sleep. He needed to tweet and melty so bad.

He has thin skin, but I swear he gets even more upset at women disagreeing with him specifically because they are women.

real shame about that last debate

Speaking of beauty pageants, he would also just barge into dressing rooms and just be around. He has no reason to be there, he's just creeping around and making all the girls uncomfortable. Girls as young 15. He doesn't care. He doesn't think about how they feel about it. And that's why everyone was fucking pissed off about his stupid grab them by the pussy tape, because literally what he said he did is exactly what he does.

He said in that stupid tape, that he pops Tic-Tacs and just kisses them straight up invited or not, and surprise, a lot of the woman he sexually assaulted said he did just that. He would pop a Tic-Tac and would just throw himself on them unwarranted. So many women have come out about this fucking Tic-Tac thing that the Tic-Tac company felt the need to clarify that Tic-Tacs have nothing to do with Donald and denounced him.

Remember that stupid bit about buying that married woman some furniture because he wants to sleep with her? Some of these women didn't even know who the fuck he is or even that he is in the fucking room with them and suddenly he's got his fingers up their dress. They just realize he's there when he's sexually assaulting them.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/10/14/two-more-women-allege-trump-touched-them-inappropriately-one-saying-he-touched-her-genitals-n2232708

I can't believe he would bring up Bill Clinton's history at all, he isn't even running for president and is just as bad if not worse. He divorces and marries younger multiple times. He can't even not comment about how hot his own daughter is and how he wishes he wasn't her dad. He ran beauty pageants, television shows, golf courses, and hotels, and in every single fucking one of those, there is "that" story about him either sexually assaulting a woman, creeping women out, or holding a woman's job over her head because she won't sleep with him.

Look, his melty trumpys are really funny and all, but jesus fucking christ, this is fucked up.

But, you know, there is actually one woman I can think of that he has said a lot about...except how she looks

Spoiler for Hiden:

[Kenneth Kenstar]

I guarantee if you ever get your life wrecked by a woman lying and the courts siding with her b/c of their feminist whiteknightism, you will have a revelation about how fake it all is.

You can find horrible examples on both sides. It's better to just not hold extreme views and take reality as a whole.

[—-]

did I defend his views?

I just think the fear of sexism is about as dangerous as the real sexism. It can become a sort of vindictive copy of the original problem.

Honestly, Kenny summed everything up perfectly. I didn't mean that you were on his side or supported his views or anything. I think one sided sexism arguments are dangerous as well. Trust me I'm not one of those tumblr feminists that refuses to contextualize fully anything involving another guy. Just, uh, Trump's a creepy bastard and it turns me off to see anyone try to humanize someone who's never returned the favor.

[Kenneth Kenstar]

So, the FBI is reopening the case and is probably going to find nothing.

The mere mention of this has made this go from a complete wash to a close race.

Meanwhile

Donald is due in court after the election for child rape featuring multiple victims, multiple witnesses

Close race.

Ivana Trump, Donald Trump’s first wife, who said under oath in a 1989 deposition that he had violently attacked her, ripped out her hair and forcibly penetrated her without her consent. According to the Daily Beast, she claims he was wildly angry that she’d referred him to a cosmetic surgeon who had botched a “scalp reduction” job (to cover a bald spot) and caused pain in his scalp - hence the vindictive yanking on her hair. At the time Ms. Trump said she felt “violated” by the alleged “rape.”

A few years later, after their divorce was settled, Ms. Trump claimed that she did not mean the word “rape” in a “literal or criminal” sense.

Note: virtually every settlement of a case involving a high profile person paying money to a former spouse - or anyone - requires the person receiving the money to agree in writing to ironclad nondisparagement and confidentiality. In plain English: you promise to be quiet and not say anything bad about the party paying you money. This has been the case in hundreds of settlement agreements I have worked on over the years. Ms. Trump was almost certainly contractually prohibited after she signed from saying anything negative about Mr. Trump.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html

[Fake from State Jarm]

Yes, all that is bad, and if he does it more to women than to men, it suggests sexist views and not just general rudeness.

However it is not evidence of rape and we should all be thankful that saying mean/nasty things to a woman doesn't put us in jail for rape or get us convicted of insulting all women. We should be thankful that a woman accusing a man isn't proof in itself.

Even if that's how the court of public opinion works, that is not how the justice system works, because that kind of thinking doesn't create justice.

I hope it isn't true and the accusations are false or exaggerated -- but if it were proven true then yes he'd be a criminal. The same logic applies to the accusations against Hillary. It'd be nice to have an alternate vote system where you rank the candidates, and then we'd probably have more options even at this late stage, but in any case it's not a democracy it's a republic.

[Fake from State Jarm]

Most people don't know that he maintains a non profit foundation of his own, Trump Foundation, and he has been using it to pay his debts and fines.

I heard about that. if you have any non partisan articles on it, link plz

[Kenneth Kenstar]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-election-donald-trump-foundation-biggest-donation-fountain-republican-party-new-york-a7387701.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-used-258000-from-his-charity-to-settle-legal-problems/2016/09/20/adc88f9c-7d11-11e6-ac8e-cf8e0dd91dc7_story.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/23/politifact-sheet-comparing-clinton-and-trump-found/

Whether or not these are biased or partisan or not, I'm not really willing to indulge anymore. I'm taking a personal position of not playing along with conservative delusions anymore. Clearly, it has been a bad idea. Trump is a result of pretending that conservative propaganda reflects reality and is news. It has damaged the credibility of the entire media to the point that no politician is afraid of any lying anymore.

[Brian]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation
Just start from the top, its all decent reading, though I never read the links, so who knows.

[im317]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Trump_Foundation
Just start from the top, its all decent reading, though I never read the links, so who knows.

i read the vast majority of that page and all i can say is i now totally understand why the IRS audit into Trump is taking so long.

[Fake from State Jarm]

[Kenneth Kenstar]

This country pisses me off.